Transgender bathroom law

The federal government of the United States imposed a law that makes men and women use the same bathroom in schools, as well as maybe some other institutions.

What exactly does that accomplish?

Krazy: An end to bathroom gender segregation in schools etc?

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. Either way, segregated or not, it's perfectly fine. All the issues I've heard around this topic sound fairly nitpickey to me.

admin: It just doesn't make any sense. If I believe I'm a door knob, that doesn't make me a door knob.

And really, there's no such thing as "transgender". You're either a man or a woman. It's that simple. The prefix "trans" gives the impression that there's a "continuum" of various genders, which is untrue and unscientific. And lacking normal intelligence.

Krazy: I don't accept that but I still don't think it matters. Regardless of whether trans people exist or not, you can still share a bathroom with the opposite gender, I mean, who really cares? What's the harm? I just don't see the fuss.

admin: It's a breeding ground for predators. Literally.

Krazy: I don't buy that argument any more than Germany having separate sliding times now for girls and boys on waterslides because apparently it's a breeding ground for rapists. I use a multigender bathroom at home and I suspect 99% of homeowners do not segregate their private bathrooms, yet 99%+ of people are not predators but honest, regular people.

admin: Well it's fine at home because you can trust family. As far as I'm aware of, the chances of family members raping each other in the bathroom are fairly slim. But at school, you don't really know most of the students (or faculty). This is one of the reasons why I believe public schools shouldn't exist.

And a waterslide is not a closed room; a bathroom is. Most likely, the waterslide rule is there because boys and girls might accidentally bump into each other during the slide or at the end. It makes since when you think about it.

Transgender laws also extend to locker rooms and changing rooms. I honestly wouldn't want my daughter to change clothes in a room filled with testosterone-raging teenage boys. And I wouldn't want my son to have to deal with the temptation to look at a woman changing.

Krazy: No, it's there because some people actually got raped inside waterslides. Predators look for any opportunity they can get. And let's face it, segregated bathrooms aren't even that strong a protection. You have to be a pretty lazy predator to be like "well I REALLY want to molest that person, but this sign says I can go no further so I guess I'm foiled again."

admin: Wow okay.

Different bathrooms for men and women is a matter of respecting the differences between the sexes. And yes, if someone was determined to rape somebody, then nothing would deter them. Not segregated bathrooms, not unisex bathrooms, not transgender laws, nothing. But there's often the issue of temptation. At first, a guy may not be out to rape a woman; but do you think seeing her naked would help? Whether partially naked or fully naked, it doesn't matter. That's often an issue. If you really wanted to reduce the number of rapes, you wouldn't create situations that would make it more likely.

Krazy: Just going to throw this out there - has America adopted cubicles yet, or do you all sit around a wide long-drop like they do in China or Japan? Because I was under the impression that just because you share a bathroom doesn't mean you have to flaunt nakedness. I could see this argument kinda working but only in a world where cubicles inside more-than-one-person-at-a-time bathrooms were not the norm (although even then I'd have to wonder how motivated a predator is really by semi-nudity - by the same logic you might as well ban beaches).

admin: We have urinals for men and cubicles for both men and women. Doesn't matter. The point is that in the bathroom, you're in close proximity to someone who is naked. That's too close.

And in locker rooms and changing rooms, you actually do see people naked.

You don't have to ban beaches, just nakedness. That's like saying you have to ban cars because of car accidents.

Krazy: I guess that's the difference between you and I - I don't think being physically near a naked person (usually one is not fully undressed on a toilet but IDK what your conventions might be) implies anything sexual. Same with changing rooms or whatever. This is doubly true if you don't even see them naked because they're behind a wall/door, but again, nitpicky point because I very much doubt any predator will ever be empowered by this.

As an aside, I've never felt particularly comfortable using urinals around other men. I tend to use cubicles anyway, with absolutely no adverse effects to me.

The reason I brought up beaches is that skimpy clothing is rather appropriate for wearing there, but it could apply to any environment where swimwear in general is common. I suppose ultimately the question is how far do we need to regulate people in order to ensure "protection" from predators. I just don't see that much of a case for it.

Krazy: "Transgenderism" shouldn't be taken into account here. If they want to simply abolish separate bathrooms, they're free to do that, on the condition that the privacy of bathroom stalls is increased significantly. If bathrooms are truly private, then nobody will care if the person in the adjacent stall is of the opposite gender.

That being said, I do not think that it is bigoted in the slightest for someone to use a public bathroom as they currently exist and be unnerved by somebody of the opposite gender being in there.

By this point, I'm seriously contemplating moving to a big city like New York and then starting a business where people can pay to use exceptionally private and exceptionally clean bathroom stalls.

admin: It's just respecting the differences between the genders. That's a part of it.

Yeah swim suits don't cover enough. They're still "naked" really. Oh well.

Dassault Papillon: How would you increase the privacy of bathroom stalls? They already have barriers on all four sides.

Krazy: Yeah, "barriers". I don't feel comfortable with the existing barriers. They should totally wall off stalls and soundproof them.

Dassault Papillon: No, not soundproof them; especially not in a all-gender bathroom. Students could do something in a soundproof stall. Think about it.

But they could connect the floor to the ceiling with the stall walls; instead of having a gap at the bottom and the top.

Krazy: That's definitely a start. That being said, if there are cameras in the bathroom outside of the stalls, then it'd surely catch the sight of two people entering/exiting the same bathroom stall. Students could have sex or whatever, but they could still be caught quite easily. In fact, without the ability to slip underneath to an adjacent stall, it'd arguably be more difficult.
The primary concern is that fully private stalls would expend significant resources for something that most people don't really care about.