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The US government should give OPIC quarterly stipends

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BlackflagBlackflag (PRO)
I. What is OPIC
OPIC stands for Overseas Private Investment Corporation. It is a for profit corporation owned by the US government. OPIC works by connecting business's with foreign development projects, or will take a investor, firm, or company, and funnel their funds to a mutually beneficial project overseas. Such projects include solar panels, equipment, resources, ect. In doing this, we produce both revenue from the private entrepreneurs who funnel through the OPIC trade firm, and benefit on a macro level from globalization and projecting wealth overseas back to us. Over the course of my arguments, I will attempt to prove that the following three groups benefit from OPIC investments.

G1) The United States Federal Government
G2) The United States citizens and businesses
G3) Foreign markets and countries.

II. How OPIC benefits the United States government

OPIC produces 3$ in revenue for every 1$ in appropriations we make. Or in layman's terms, for every 1$ we funnel into foreign projects, the US government receives a 2$ return on investment. This is known as profit, and OPIC produces much of it.



As you can see, behind the annoying play button, that OPIC's net income has been on average, about 250,000,000 USD in profits, IE, lowering the US deficit by that much. Since OPIC is an entirely self sufficient corporation, there are no collateral expenses. By maintaining OPIC, we are adding 250,000,000 USD to the national treasury, while helping inner state and foreign companies to grow and become more effective. OPIC's existence is a win-win for everyone.

II. Benefit to the US taxpayer and businesses
No one benefits from OPIC more than the US taxpayer. OPIC has lowered the deficit more than its produces in revenue a year. Since OPIC is self sufficient, at the moment, it costs no money to the US taxpayer. The department is responsible for maintaining 277,000 US jobs, and is active in training and funding American small business. Since OPIC's contraception, 10,000's of business owners have been connected with products overseas. Do to opics profits in reducing the deficit, about 300,000,000 USD has been returned to the government, IE, the taxpayers. OPIC is profitable in stimulating growth, exports, and a numerous plethora of other things.


^OPIC trading shares circa 1996 (it's heritage foundation, but it hardly matters)

III. OPIC benefits foreign markets and governments

OPIC is responsible for stimulating over 70 billion dollars in exports. Since capitalism dictates profit will always be on both sides, or expected to be on both sides, that means the potential for that 70 billion can grow on both sides of the spectrum. The main goal of OPIC is to fund foreign projects, thereby helping other markets to develop, while also producing revenue for the American people. 

Fact1: OPIC has invested 4.1 billion through 62 private equity funds, IE, putting 62 billion in USD back in the trade funnel (good for business) 
Fact2: OPIC has invested 5.6 billion, through over 570 companies, throughout 69 different nations
http://www.opic.gov/what-we-offer/investment-funds

IV. Commitment to green resource development
OPIC has pooled with 15 of its network companies on how to produce more money for climate finance.   These companies come from both firms and banks, and with the new commitment to green investment, OPIC has managed to funnel over 18 billion into green projects across the globe. In a new finance plan, OPIC's committee has agreed to scale up investment on green projects to 100 billion!!!
http://www.opic.gov/press-releases/2013/opic-joins-broad-group-development-institutions-agreeing-scale-investments-green-economy


^ Massive build up on green investments (2009-2011)

V. Proposal: Let's start funding OPIC
As I have pointed out before, OPIC benefits foreign markets, the American people, and the government. Relying completely on self sufficient profits to survive. While I appreciate that we have a company that can lower the deficit by billions, OPIC isn't reaching its full potential. In the rules, it states the exact amount of stimuli would be 25% of OPIC's quarterly profits.

Ex1: OPIC makes 10 million in one quarter, and is given a stipend of 2.5 million
Ex2: OPIC makes 12 million in the next quarter, and is given a stipend of 3 million
Ex3: OPIC makes 16 million in the final quarter, and is given a stipend of 4 million

VI. How stipends will be beneficial
1. More revenue to US  government
2. Less taxes for US taxpayers
3. More development of resources
4. More money for foreign governments
5. Growth of small business
6. More money funneled in the stock exchange 
7. A greener more efficient planet
8. Stronger ties across national lines

VII. There is no harm
1. The US taxpayers are only paying 25% of whatever OPIC makes
2. Everything that OPIC makes winds back up in the US treasury, business, or beneficial projects
3. OPIC is sustained by tons of investors, networked companies, and supporters
4. OPIC doesn't have a record of corruption, and is one of few corporations overseen entirely by the US taxpayers

Return To Top | Posted:
2014-08-13 15:08:55
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adminadmin (CON)
What pro didn't tell you about OPIC
Unlike your average firm in the market, OPIC does not merely aim to make a profit. It aims to further US hegemony abroad. To quote from their website: "OPIC mobilizes private capital to help solve critical development challenges and in doing so, advances U.S. foreign policy". This is crucial - their aim is not necessarily to get the best return on investment, although making a profit is of course desirable to them. Their real aim is to get concessions from and influence over foreign companies, to better serve US foreign interests. They do this primarily by strategically investing in companies not with the best rate of return, but the ones most favorable to US interests.

Other companies without this capital have a harder time competing - so the main reason why the companies they invest in are profitable is because they are inherently monopolistic. Let me explain. Imagine being a shoemaker in Kenya using only locally sourced leather. Then the shoemaker's shop next door gets millions of US dollars in funding from OPIC because they agree to use US leather, which boosts US exports and has the same unit cost as your locally sourced leather. This huge capital influx distorts the market. Sure, everybody will now be getting their shoes from the shop next door, and with the big investment you could probably even have better quality shoes. But you can't ignore the fact that you and every other shoemaker in Kenya that does not source their leather from the USA will be reduced to begging on the streets. And there's a flow-on effect: farmers who were once dependent on leather sales in Kenya for their income and livelihood will lose everything as well. People whom those farmers and shoemakers bought their other goods from also have reduced income. And so on and so forth.

What's disturbing about that is that nobody is asking who is really the better shoemaker? Maybe your shop has some special method that allows you to make greater profit on each shoe sold by making the shoes more efficiently. By investing in you, OPIC would have earned more profit (over the long term) from their investment, and the money that they invested would better flow through the whole economy, rather than much of it being spent on companies that buy products the US sells. It follows that OPIC is not really what economics would call a "rational investor", because their aim isn't primarily financial.

To quote again from my source above: "Because OPIC works with the U.S. private sector, it helps U.S. businesses gain footholds in emerging markets, catalyzing revenues, jobs and growth opportunities both at home and abroad."

As great as that sounds, let me phrase that a little differently because it's one of the scariest things ever written when you break it down. OPIC helps US businesses take control over foreign, emerging markets. In these places you don't see people with commerce degrees from Yale or Harvard. These guys don't really understand macroeconomics, so they don't necessarily see the immediate harm OPIC causes. Their aim may be to improve the businesses they invest in, but because their sponsors are really the US private sector, the investments they make are designed to end up back in the hands of US companies. The third world is just a kind of middleman for OPIC, that they give money to, provided that money is then used in a way that boosts the US economy. So the ideal OPIC economy is one where the developing world supports jobs in the US, through an investment that appears to give wealth to the developing world.

That simply isn't sustainable
You can't have a sustainable future when your industry depends on giving money to another country. People from the US will understand this in the context of China. China exports tons of cheap products to the USA, helping US businesses to succeed by lowering their costs of production. Great though that may be, all those cheap goods from China add up, and as a result a vast proportion of US wealth is shipped one-way to Beijing every year. Over time the US has slowly paid for this with the closure of several key industries - small manufacturers have found themselves completely unable to compete against the influx of cheap foreign products.

What most US citizens don't know is that OPIC does exactly the same thing. OPIC is a way for the US to control countries that the US thinks may be wealthy some day, then steal that wealth and give it back to the US. Together with the World Bank and international trade associations, expropriation (the only out from that system) is banned - fine-able with heavy sanctions that no country can afford.

When the government comes in and picks winners and losers in markets, it is well known that price signals are distorted, as they are no longer based on supply and demand, but on government subsidy/penalty. The same thing would happen if a foreign government intervened in the market and picked a winner or loser. And although OPIC is ostensibly a private corporation, it also fulfills the same basic role in the economy as a government in this sense: it represents all the businesses in a country, seeks to further their interests - oh, and its money goes into lowering that deficit the US has from making China wealthier. OPIC generates markets that are controlled by the US companies and US foreign policy (which benefits US companies).

But those markets will fail, because unlike OPIC, US companies ARE rational investors (more or less). They want profit and lots of it, which is totally understandable because having money is superior to not having money. So they'll milk those foreign companies dry, until there's literally no more money to be milked. When pro says that for every $1 OPIC gives they get $3, that really means that OPIC and their partners give $1 to developing countries and take back $3, leaving those developing countries $2 poorer than when OPIC made their investment. This is where poverty traps come from: as a result of being $2 out of pocket, the country needs to get $2 from the USA to make their economy work well again. OPIC is only too happy to pay $2, but then they steal $6. Now the country needs $6 from OPIC. OPIC gives that and takes $18.  And so on until the country collapses as they are unable to pay whatever OPIC takes.

Hence why I say that it simply is not sustainable in the long term. The extra $2 don't get printed or magically appear out of thin air. It's simply taken out of the poor developing country to boost the US economy. Net wealth does not magically increase because of OPIC's existence. The money has to come from somewhere. What really happens is that OPIC gives what looks like foreign aid (usually it's actually a big loan), then takes more than that amount of money away once they control the market, then invest that in the US to increase the wealth of the US. It's quite literally stealing from the poor to give to the rich. When loan sharks operate in the third world we've all seen how bad it can get. Think of OPIC like one of those loan sharks.

Who benefits in the US?
The average person in the US sees absolutely no benefit from OPIC's activity. OPIC is one of those corporations that only benefits the top 1% or so. Just take a look at some of the projects they feature on their website. Bear in mind that these are what they think are among the best examples of their investments.

In 2007 they gave a loan to Moldova to build a grain exporting terminal. The loan was actually produced by a company called World Business Capital, who pretty much only finance companies owned or run by the United States. As a result, Moldova's grain export profits go to the USA instead of the Ukraine, which quite frankly was probably more in need of that money. But World Business Capital is a company with less than 20 employees. It's no Walmart or McDonald's. It's a bunch of rich, predominantly old, predominately white, and predominantly male people in suits.

That same year they gave a large loan to ZAO Solntse, a Russian company, to help them sell nachos to Russia - funnily enough within a few years of spending all their money on US equipment, the company was bought up by a US company. It turns out that Russians love nachos, and as a result, the US company took lots of profit out of Russia, and Russian food manufacturers suffered. The US company - Mission Foods - is still producing all the nachos in Russia. The only difference is that the profit goes to Mission Foods and their owners, the Gruma Corporation.

Remember that not only do these companies have to pay their loans back to the United States, but they also almost always end up giving most of their profit to the USA. OPIC requires at least 25% US ownership (or other meaningful involvement). As OPIC proudly announces on their website, a big proportion of those benefiting from their loans are US small businesses that sell stuff to the third world. As much as "less than $35 million" in revenues can hardly be considered small, and as much as 2-3% (see my opponent's charts) can hardly be called a "big proportion", very few small entrepreneurs within the US actually want to sell stuff to developing markets. Your average corner dairy operator or ice cream truck man sees nothing of this.

Right now the major project OPIC is undertaking is part of USAID's Power Africa initiative. In other words, US companies are going to be profiting from the electricity provided to an additional 600 million people. For something as basic as electricity, to be taking a cut of at LEAST 25% (and up to 100%) of the profits that generates is shameful. And when you control the electricity grid, you basically control every company in that region. I should add that while much of this money has been invested in green energy, not all of it has.

How this impacts on pro's case
Pro's case assumes that OPIC creates magic money that can be shared between the US and developing countries. As I have demonstrated this is untrue: OPIC makes a select few US companies richer, while also making developing nations poorer. As the old saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I contest that a local economy based around a supply of what that economy really has, and a demand of what that economy really needs, is far superior to an economy run by a foreign consortium of development interests. By allowing other countries to mind their own business and grow steadily out of poverty (as opposed to trapping them in a poverty cycle) those countries have a chance of success on the world stage. Then the US could use the same money that they currently give to OPIC projects to improve much lacking facets of their own country, and solve their own problems closer to home. That will likely involve more investment into the US economy as a whole, rather than merely the "exporting to the third world" sector, and support far more jobs and better incomes.

This is about pro advocating for the US to steal money off poor countries, versus con advocating for the US to leave the little guys alone. We all want what's best for the third world in this debate, so when investments are made in the third world, it should focus on that. It should not focus on the benefit to the US economy, how much profit will go back to the USA or - for that matter - anything other than how to improve that developing nation, and help its people. But I'm on the side of the US too, because the OPIC model is not sustainable and it turns the world into little puppets of the US which frankly can't contribute to the US economy.

And that reality doesn't benefit anybody.

The resolution is negated.

Return To Top | Posted:
2014-09-09 16:52:47
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Cross-Examination
admin: What's wrong with the principle of "buy local"?
Csareo!!!!: Nothing
admin: Then why support an organization that routinely forces companies in poor countries to buy from rich countries?
Csareo!!!!: I do not accept the premise
admin: Do you not accept that the USA is a rich country, or are you saying that OPIC's aim is not to maximize generated money for the USA?
Csareo!!!!: I will accept that the US is a rich country, but not all the wealth is equally distributed. I will also accept that the goal of OPIC is to maximize generated money for the US
Csareo!!!!: Do you concede that generating revenue for the government of America reduces our budget deficit?
Csareo!!!!: Furthermore, do you concede that OPIC's projects only advance foreign policy, when the other nation chooses to take our money?
admin: On paper, I agree your budget deficit is reduced. I don't understand your second question - could you please rephrase it?
Csareo!!!!: You claimed that OPIC is used to advance US foreign policy. Do you concede that our foreign policy is only advanced when other nations choose to accept the money we offer them?
admin: No. There are other ways the US could advance their foreign policy.
admin: Do you accept that OPIC has taken more money out of the third world than it has put in?
Csareo!!!!: I don't, but assuming it did, would you accept that the majority of projects OPIC funds aren't for the purpose of the host country making money? E.G, solar panels, lawn mowers, ect,
Csareo!!!!: Okay, let me rephrase. Do you concede that in the case of OPIC alone, US foreign policy is only advanced if the other country accepts the money?
Csareo!!!!: Do you also accept that OPIC has funded a more conversation and environmental projects than any other national trade firm?
Csareo!!!!: *more conversation
admin: conservation you mean?
Csareo!!!!: Lol, yeah. Can you answer all three questions? For the purpose of the debate, I will restate them all. Do you also accept that OPIC has funded a more conversation and environmental projects than any other national trade firm? Do you concede that in the case of OPIC alone, US foreign policy is only advanced if the other country accepts the money? Would you accept that the majority of projects OPIC funds aren't for the purpose of the host country making money? E.G, solar panels, lawn mowers, ect,
Csareo!!!!: * more conservation, lol
admin: In the order you list them here: 1) yes; 2) I don't necessarily concede that OPIC's investments are to the benefit of US foreign policy, so no; 3) ALL of OPIC's projects are for the US to steal money off developing nations, so yes. I would further agree that OPIC's projects aren't for the purpose of helping the host country at all.
admin: When OPIC helps with Power Africa, for example, do you believe the ordinary african citizen will be able to afford power prices? Or will that money have been sucked out of the economy by the greedy power corporations run from somewhere in New York.
Csareo!!!!: 2) Do you accept that OPIC's investments are for the purpose of helping America? 3) Do you concede that it is up to business's and governments to accept OPIC's money
Csareo!!!!: I would claim the question has no relevance, considering OPIC's primary goal is business, not charity. Although it does some of both.
Csareo!!!!: Why would governments and business's accept OPIC's money if they felt the strings attached weren't worth it?
admin: I would claim it's hugely relevant since your claim is that "OPIC benefits foreign markets and governments", and thus demand an answer
Csareo!!!!: The question can't be answered, because the quality of power hasn't been determined, the region of Africa hasn't been determined, and the relevance to how "power futures" and "OPIC" relate hasn't been determined
Csareo!!!!: Can you answer my three questions now? Why would governments and business's accept OPIC's money if they felt the strings attached weren't worth it? Do you accept that OPIC's investments are for the purpose of helping America? Do you concede that it is up to business's and governments to accept OPIC's money?
Csareo!!!!: To the question you asked me, before I can give you a legitimate answer, you must answer another for me. Are the majority of energy projects OPIC funds green, or fossil fuels?
admin: Yes. Those who accept OPIC's money do so out of ignorance and a lack of education (I analyze this in my round). OPIC's goal is indeed business. OPIC makes their investments for the purpose of helping their big business stakeholders, not america as a whole. There is indeed a process of acceptance for OPIC funds. Most OPIC energy projects are "green" in the sense of being based on renewable sources.
admin: Just going to ask this twice, but... are you SURE OPIC doesn't routinely demand that poor countries buy products and services from a rich country?
Csareo!!!!: 1) Do you think every business transaction with a contingency is done out of ignorance and lack of education? If the majority of people who trade through OPIC are rich, then is it possible those people had the education to make their fortune? 2) That's not answering my question. Does it help America, whether it be big business, government, or the general population? 3) Then would you concede OPIC's financial investments are beneficial to the enviornment?
Csareo!!!!: How many of OPIC's transactions come with a contingency, out of the thousands of projects made? You claim that OPIC takes money out of other countries, so are you claiming my data on a trade surplus in foreign markets is false?
Csareo!!!!: A) Considering OPIC funds projects overseas to increase supply here, the answer is an undoubtable no, since demands of that capacity would be done by the Senate, not OPIC.
admin: 1) if they were rich they wouldn't qualify to receive an OPIC investment, 2) it helps America in some ways, it harms it in others. Overall the impact is a net negative. 3) no, in part because the alternative could have been even greener. Mining minerals in Argentina, making cells in America, then shipping those to Africa and building huge dust-free zones for solar plants, for example, costs the environment in more ways than just the generation.
admin: Can you please clarify what you mean by contingency? Also, yes, I'm claiming that it is an economic impossibility that any trade surplus in a third world nation was the result of an OPIC investment.
admin: Do you deny ZAO Solntse's loan contract specified their suppliers for new equipment had to be from the USA?
Csareo!!!!: 1) Do you have data to back that up, since it is private investors who work through OPIC, not the government itself? 2) So it helps America? 3) You're saying OPIC isn't doing enough, which is an argument, not an answer to my question. 4) Contingency- A "rule" for the deal to go through 5) Do you have data to counter mine, or is this an opinionated claim?
Csareo!!!!: Yes. The Berlin Airlift and European Recovery Plan following WW2 gave millions of dollars in free food and investments, contigent on European's buying products only from the US. Do you think the Berlin Airlift was unjust? Do you feel that it is unfair to request repayment for a loan?
Csareo!!!!: Let me rephrase. Think of it as a royalty. Do you think it is unjust to ask farmers to buy US products until the loan is payed back, considering there isn't actually any profits lost for the farmers?
admin: 1) yes, since OPIC is only available to developing countries. Can source that in my round if you like. 2) no, not exactly. 3) not that they're not doing enough, it's just that "renewable" does not mean environmentally friendly. In net impact I don't believe OPIC has helped the environment at all. 4) yes, it always has contingencies per OPIC policy. 5) I did put forward a lot of analysis in my round. This isn't something any data can prove or disprove.
admin: I think the examples you gave were unjust too, but less so because they helped America as a whole, not special interests.
admin: The profits lost for the farmers, BTW, would be that the money is not returned to the local economy where the customers are, hurting sales.
Csareo!!!!: 1) Can you source that now? 2) You just said it helps America in some ways. Were you mistaken? 3) My question was if renewable energy investments are more green than fossil fuel investments. 4) Can you source that policy? In the case of Pakistan solar farms, there wasn't any contingency, so I'm guessing you're mistaken. 5) So there is no data disproving my own, that there is a trade surplus in foreign countries?
Csareo!!!!: Let me ask again for clarity. If a bank gives you a loan, and says you can only deposit money in their bank until your loan is payed back, you would consider the transaction unjust? If so, then is it unjust for the people to accept the deal?
Csareo!!!!: Or if I give one million dollars to a struggling business, and I ask for them to only sell Csareo brand products until they pay me back, I would be unjust? Although they took the deal?
Csareo!!!!: Am I correct when I say, the only contingency in the zoe deal, was that for every US product bought, part of the loan is paid off, relative to the amount of US products the country buys?
Csareo!!!!: If what I said is correct, then wouldn't you have to concede that the loan wasn't restricting what products could be bought, but simply how the loan could be payed? Furthermore, doesn't the transaction both help struggling farmers in the United States recoup by having only their products bought, and stabilize farms in Argentina by giving free loans from the treasury?
admin: Obviously a lot to respond to here. Give me time... :)
Csareo!!!!: NP, but most of these can be answered with a yes or no. Now is not the place for lengthy arguments...
admin: 1) yes. http://www.opic.gov/doing-business-us/OPIC-policies/where-we-operate 2) No. I also said it harms it in other ways. So if you ask what the impact is on America, you can't say it's positive. 3) often they are not. 4) did some fact checking - are you sure this wasn't a wind farm? If so can you source this please? 5) no, there is no data proving or disproving that any surplus was caused by an OPIC investment.
admin: I would argue that in your hypotheticals, it would be unjust if the bank/Csareo brand stole that money offshore. Them taking the deal out of ignorance can perhaps be forgiven in that they don't have the same access to education.
Csareo!!!!: 1) The list of 150 countries where OPIC operates does NOT answer the question I asked you. 2) I am not asking if it helps overall, but if it helps at all. Does it? 3) To establish it firmly, you believe in general, renewable energy investments are less green than fossil fuel investments. 4) You answered my question with a question, but here is another example that is giving 20 million with no contingency (http://www.opic.gov/projects/tpl-properties) 5) That wasn't the question. I asked if there was no data disproving my data. Which it sounds like you're saying yes.
admin: Dammit I'm still answering your last set of questions!
admin: All OPIC investments have a minimum set of contingencies - environmental sustainability and human rights being the big two (http://www.opic.gov/who-we-are/our-investment-policies). I'll talk more about how you're misinformed about Zoe in my round.
Csareo!!!!: Once again to establish it clearly, you think it is financially responsible for a bank to let the person he gives a loan to, to invest in any other bank except his own? Remember, this policy is applied to nearly every bank in the world.
Csareo!!!!: Do you feel environmental sustainability and human rights are unjust contingencies on financial transactions.
Csareo!!!!: Do you think that some of the things you consider unjust, are done out of a moral responsibility to ensure the investors get their money back? I would really appreciate it if you answered my questions on the ZOE deal now, since I'll be arguing before you.
admin: Could you possibly leave it there until I have a chance to answer all these questions? There really is a LOT to get through.
admin: (and I am taking care to fact check each one)
Csareo!!!!: Making sure you don't forget, there are 7 unanswered questions
Csareo!!!!: My case relies heavily on you answering each and every one.
admin: Then give me time ;)
admin: 1) Yes because those 150 countries are all poor/developing countries in the world. This supports my claim that you asked me to source that OPIC does not provide loans to rich countries. 2) alright then - yes OPIC helps a small part of America in the short term. 3) I can't give a firm answer on this overall, but in the third world it's a definite yes. 4) I looked into your question and needed clarification since I'm pretty sure you made a mistake, but wanted to check. I wouldn't answer if I wasn't sure. (next lot of qns to follow, Csareo please don't post yet)
admin: 5) your data is not wrong, so the answer is yes. What's wrong is your conclusion. 6) Yes, and further I don't think nearly every bank in the world applies that to every loan. There's a mortgage on my house with a different bank than my regular savings account bank. 7) I don't feel those are unjust contingencies. I'm just pointing out that every OPIC loan has contingencies as per OPIC policy, since you asked me to source that claim. 8) Yes they probably are, but I believe the greater moral atrocity is when the rich steal from the poor (to be continued, please don't post yet)
admin: 8 cont'd) since the poor countries have never stolen OPIC's money thanks to all these contingencies. Regarding Zoe - no, there were other contingencies too. Eventually the entire company transferred ownership to the US. Farmers in the US are not struggling relative to farmers in Russia, and the money isn't going to them anyway. I have no idea how Argentina is relevant to this Russian example.
admin: (ok that's all :) )
Csareo!!!!: 1) Doesn't that negate your contention that OPIC gives money to the rich? 2) Thank you, let it be established that "OPIC helps America in the short term". You also conceded that it "definitely helps the third world". 5) So the data is correct? Okay, good. 6) Do you think it is financially responcible for the bank to issue a loan, and allow the receptive to store the money he makes with another "financial institution", in which the money is in short term ownership of another bank?
Csareo!!!!: 6) Would of investors plunged into the Zoe deal if they thought there wasn't a surefire way to get payed back? Is it true that the loan both helped farmers there, and also gained revenue that would of been spent in other countries and directed it here?
admin: 1) No. OPIC gives loans to the poor and money to the rich. Loans are not real wealth. 2 5) But that ignores the context of it. Context is everything. 6a) Yes, why not? 6b) There are other methods of ensuring payment on loans than those OPIC uses. To the remainder of your points, no, I'd like to see you back that up.

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BlackflagBlackflag (PRO)
Introduction
While the opposition's arguments largely discount that of my first round, I am happy to shift the debate into new arguments, as the opposition has the impression  the new ones can stand alone without refuting the opening arguments. I would like to start this debate by solidifying all the points that were dropped from the opening round, and then create an argument for all the things conceded in cross examination that can be used to further my case.

Dropped Arguments
  • OPIC makes 3$ for every 1$ it invests
  • OPIC is entirely self sufficient 
  • OPIC maintains 277,000 jobs
  • OPIC stimulates an extra 70 billion dollars in exports 
  • OPIC is dedicated towards helping the climate and expanding renewable energies
  • Resource production is higher with OPIC investment

Concessions in Cross Examination 
  • OPIC reduces the US budget deficit 
  • OPIC has funded more conservation and environmental projects than any other trade firm
  • It is up to the countries and financial institutions to decide to accept OPIC's money 
  • Most of OPIC's projects are green, as in "renewable". 
  • OPIC helps America in the short term
  • OPIC gives loans to the poor 
  • My data that nations OPIC trades with receive a surplus is true (the opposition claimed he didn't have a source contrary to this)
  • OPIC helps the third world 
  • OPIC trains small businesses 

Additional Arguments
  • OPIC is capitalism. Capitalism is a necessary evil.  
  • OPIC isn't the only trade firm, but it is the best (contains several sub arguments)
  • Giving stipend returns more investing power to the people instead of the rich (relates to: OPIC may not be the best, but it isn't going away)

Arguments to be Refuted
  • OPIC doesn't help Americans
  • OPIC doesn't help foreign countries
  • Winners and Losers, refutation on opposition's selective examples 

OPIC Makes 3$ for every 1$ it invests 
This point was dropped, and that was a grave mistake. I didn't bring up this fact for the sole purpose of proving OPIC was profitable, but so I could expand upon the argument in the next round. OPIC is not only profitable, but it is a creator of potential. Every 2$ in surplus profit is another 2$ which can be spent. Money can open up any door. The opposition ignored my analysis on where most of the money goes. OPIC isn't payed by the US government. It is a trade firm. Like all trade firms, it takes investors money, and it gives them to places where they will make a profit. Under OPIC guidelines, all investments must make a profit for their investors, but they must also adhere to OPIC's principals. Foremost being to "grow and expand resource production".

I'll talk in further detail about how OPIC's principal is good for the world in the long and short term, but the idea I want to make clear in this section, is that lots of money is lots of potential. We should be more concerned on all the great and productive ways our money can be spent. More money = Better Standard of Living for everyone, no matter how unfairly it is distributed. 

OPIC is Entirely Self Sufficient 
I can't stress this enough. OPIC is self sufficient. It lives off of what it takes. The good thing about trade firms, is that they require little in solid assets. A good trade firm survives off of reputation, connections, and ethics. OPIC has all of the above. A self sufficient company, again means that it isn't that huge of a burden to offset a little of what OPIC pays off, and allow them to make a little more. This argument is the essence of the previous one. A 25% stipend is more money, because everything OPIC gets, they make more of. More resources, more profit, more services. 

OPIC maintains 277,000 American Jobs 
I have trouble believing the opposition when he claims America and foreign countries don't benefit from OPIC. OPIC maintains 277,000 jobs for Americans. Jobs, as in the things people do for 8 hours to make money and live. Funding OPIC means more jobs for Americans. More jobs means more power to the people. OPIC does help the people, it just isn't as fast as the opposition prefers.

In the link I provided in round 1, OPIC even claims to sustain 800,000 jobs overseas. 800,000 jobs that only exists because OPIC invests in their business, allowing them to expand and make new room for new employees. 

OPIC Reduces the Budget Deficit of the United States of America 
This point should be solidified to its furthest extent. The opposition conceded in the second question of cross examination, that OPIC reduces the budget deficit of America by 300,000,000$ USD. That's 300,000,000$ less spent each year by our government. That is 300,000,000$ less taxpayers must spend on providing healthcare. That's 300,000,000$ less taxpayers must spend on building roads and schools. That 300,000,000$ in savings is growing each year, and the tax burden is decreasing.

The reduction of taxes is in large part the responsibility of OPIC. There are millions of people in poverty in America, and they should be thankful that they have a financial institution fighting to improve their standard of living. 

OPIC Stimulates 70 Billion Dollars in Exports 
I'm a bit bewildered that the opposition dropped this argument. As I'll show in the contention titled "OPIC Trade Surplus", not only does OPIC produce profit in both countries it trades in, but it also produces material results. 70 billion dollars is a lot of goods. Whether it be glass, oil, solar energy, cotton, plastic, et cetera, we know for a fact that the 70 billion in goods wouldn't be available if not for OPIC.

Maybe it is the Fortune 500 who cashes in on 80% of OPIC's profits, but that 70 billion of surplus resources goes to the craftsman, artists, and merchants who make their living on the resources OPIC invests in. The opposition makes OPIC out to be a company for the rich. Yes, OPIC takes the riches money, and gives even more of it back, but that doesn't negate the millions of people that do share in the wealth.

OPIC doesn't take money from the rich to be elitist, but because the rich can sometimes be a catalyst for doing great things. That is the case with OPIC. 
I hope this section has also clarified why the surplus in resources stands to benefit the common man. It is the common man who utilizes that 70 billion in resources after all.

OPIC's Dedication Towards Renewable Energy and Climate Control 
The opposition conceded that most of OPIC's investments were into green projects, in the sense that they are renewable. What the opposition didn't concede, is that renewable resource investments are less green than  fossil fuel investments. I don't accept that the opposition really believes this, and most likely this is a false front to dismiss the rest of the proposal, but none the less, I would like to explain why expanding renewable alternatives is better than fossil fuels.

The earth contains abundant resources, but not unlimited. Resources are co-dependent. There isn't one resource that can last an infinite amount of time, before its co-dependent vanished. Despite this, there are ways to prolong the existence of our resources, things essential to our daily lives. Instead of investing money on scarce electricity, which is actually in demand, OPIC created 1000's of solar panels. Not because solar energy is better than other forms of energy, but the simple fact that we have plenty of solar energy, and little thermal energy. 

By investing in less fossil fuels, and more renewable resources, we ensure the survival of future generations. As opposed to us sucking dry mother earth's beauty in our short lifespans. OPIC is taking a giant step towards green progress.

Resource Production is Higher Under OPIC
This point has already been argued this round, but I'll re-consolidate it because of its importance. There are many resources currently in high demand. Water, food, energy, metals. These things are in high demand. There are practical reasons to have everyone in supply, and to make the deal sweeter, money can be made in giving people these resources. 

OPIC is raising resource production in foreign countries, which means a more globalized and international society. 

A) It is up to Countries and Financial Institutions to Accept OPIC's Money
I tried to avoid this becoming the centerpiece of the debate, but the opposition has forced my hand. OPIC, as conceded by the opposition, doesn't hold a gun to people's head and tell them to accept their investments. No, everything OPIC does is a business transaction. Investors on both sides can work through OPIC to make deals.

The opposition thinks OPIC is an economic war mongerer. This simply isn't the truth. OPIC is a trade firm. Like all trade firms, it talks to investors in one country, and then talks to investors in another, and arranges a deal. The only difference between OPIC and the other thousand trade firms, is that OPIC is run by an elected board in the United States. OPIC isn't even the largest trade firm in the world. It's actually pretty moderate sized.

I really don't want to continue refuting the fallacious argument that OPIC's existence forces people to make stupid decisions. Alcohol can make people do stupid things. Smoking can make people do stupid things. Television and the internet make people do stupid things. The answer isn't to censor and restrict everything that can cause someone to harm themselves.

People deserve a degree of economic liberty, just as they should be granted social liberty. I'm not a fan of drugs, but if someone wants to smoke bombshells, then I'm happy to let them do it. It doesn't harm me or others in anyway. Just as financial transactions done through OPIC have no effect on me or others. I think the idea of striking down a proposal because a few people might get a bad deal is silly. That's pretty much the oppositions entire argument.

B) It is up to Countries and Financial Institutions to Accept OPIC's Money: Relation to Game Theorem and Social Theorem 
The basis of game theory resides on a simple formula, outlined in the works of Albert William Tucker 
  • If two sides have net gain from performing an action, both sides will partake
  • If one side has net gain in performing an action, and the other has net loss, then only one side will partake
  • If both sides have net loss from performing an action, neither side will partake

The opposition stated that the only people who would take a deal from OPIC are stupid. I highly disagree with this statement, but I'll entertain it, as I relate it to some of the Sociology. Pretend there are two variables. Variable Y and Variable X. Variable Y signifies an action that fails, while variable X signifies an action that succeeds. Social research has determined that throughout history, in any given scenario, no matter what the topic in question is, the YX theorem will simulate like one of the two.

YYYXXXXXYYXXXXXYXXXXXXXX
XXXXYXYXYYYXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The above is the exemplification of the "trial and error" concept. The more people fail, the more they will succeed later on. This has been replicated in every scenario, no matter the topic, everytime. People may fail 5 times to begin with, but succeed 10 times in the end. That doesn't mean they aren't subject to failure every few successes, but it means the more they try, the less they'll error. 

The same can be related to OPIC and capitalism. I agree with the opposition, that some people get a bad deal with OPIC. In every scenario someone gets the bad end of the stick, but this is the best platform for learning. The more society fails, the more we will progress together in the future. Most social scientists are of the belief that every failure is a success in its own rite, because it is another step towards the advancement of the human race and society. 

OPIC Gives Loans to The Poor 
The opposition acts like this is a bad thing. A loan, in reality, is a chance. Someone is giving you their money, because they believe in you. They believe you have what it takes to pay them back. That isn't something to be criticized. It seems like most of the oppositions criticism has been "Okay, they're doing this which is good, but it isn't enough". 

If people take a loan, someone else's money, and betray that persons trust by not paying it back, then it isn't OPIC at blame. As a matter of principal, I rarely take things I can't pay back. That's good character, and I also think it is good character to give money to those who can pay you back. Thanks OPIC!

Trade Surplus in Participating Countries 
When pushing the opposition for a concession on my trade surplus data, his stance literally evolved from "No, that's definitely not true" to "Well, I don't have anything to prove you're wrong". That's what debating is about. Proving the other side wrong. If the opposition can't prove my information on trade surpluses, then it must be considered true.

He can claim it doesn't make sense, but at the end of the day, I have reliable information on my side. Proving this is vital to my case. A trade surplus in foreign countries means that people are receiving a boost on profits.  The opposition did state that the money goes to the rich, but ignoring that, the money is still being taxed by the government. Money that is making schools and roads in foreign countries. Export taxes and tariffs help the taxpayers in foreign countries. At least making the best out of the situation.

No one is denying that the rich cash in the most in some nations. The people, however slow, and however little, do get some of that new wealth. To me, that's a win. The opposition is arguing that the wins aren't big enough. Any win is enough to accept this proposal.



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2014-11-04 13:06:51
| Speak Round
adminadmin (CON)
My onus in this debate is not to show that OPIC cannot possibly make a gain. My onus is to show that OPIC has more negative impacts than positive impacts. Conversely, pro's burden is not to prove that OPIC makes just "any win". He needs to prove that whatever wins OPIC makes outweigh all the disadvantages of OPIC.

The majority of his case is the assertion that I have dropped or conceded every single one of his points. This could not be further from the truth, but I trust that will be evident to voters. For example, he claims I dropped the idea that OPIC makes $3 for every $1 it invests. If you look back to round 1, however, you'll find 2 paragraphs worth of analysis showing that while this is true as a fact, it does not support pro's conclusion that OPIC is generating magic money out of thin air. By making these assertions, it is him that has dropped all these points, not me. Just because I didn't label my rebuttals under nice headings does not mean they do not exist - instead I went through the effort to integrate the rebuttals into my case.

In this round, since my opponent is incapable of reading anything that doesn't come under its own heading, I will begin by answering these contentions as he has presented them. It's not what I consider the best structure but hopefully there's a trade-off and this allows my opponent to finally engage with my material.

OPIC Makes 3$ for every 1$ it invests
When OPIC makes the extra $2, this money comes from somewhere. It isn't printed or conjured by magic powers. It comes from the pockets of those from the poor country it gave the $1 to. This was analyzed in detail by me last round, contrary to pros assertion. And pro had no answer to my analysis.

The "potential" it creates is twofold. First, to increase the profits of their shareholders. I talked in the last round about how these are wealthy Americans who are essentially baiting poor people with a bit of money and once they're hooked, stealing from them a lot of money. It's like Robin Hood in reverse. This is not the kind of potential that should be made. Instead, poor people should be supported to create their own destinies and given the chance to work their way fairly out of their predicament. This is called progressivism, because it makes progress. Second, OPIC can re-invest that money in other projects. Which essentially allows them to defraud other nations too.

So it's not just any door that is opened by this money. The average middle-class American sees no good from OPIC. Many Americans are not even aware that OPIC exists. The poor nations OPIC invests in certainly make no profit. They are destroyed from the inside by OPIC's bait-and-switch business model. The ONLY ones who see their doors flung open by this money are the 1% - the super rich. Voters, you need to decide in this debate who is more important. I've told you consistently throughout both rounds, and pro has not refuted, that this debate is about whether the rich should be giving to the poor, or the poor should be giving to the rich. OPIC causes the poor to give to the rich under the guise of "helping" these poor nations.

Just to touch briefly on one final thing. In his final sentence here pro briefly touches on what economics calls the "trickle down" theory, that money given only to the wealthy trickles down to help the poor. It has never been observed. Like, ever. Not even in exceptional cases has money ever gone to the poor simply because it was owned by the rich. Piketty's recent landmark study "Capital in the Twenty-First Century" shows that the only time money going from the rich to poor happened in the 20th century was right after world war 2, the reasons for which were outside of the control of the wealthy people. The fact is that the rich do not intrinsically share their wealth. I'd very much like pro to try to prove otherwise. Besides, think about it logically. If more money meant more opportunity for everyone, then printing more money would solve all problems. Sounds absurd, right? And if all this extra money were so great, then why are poor countries always worse off after an OPIC investment? How come OPIC has never helped any country work their way out of poverty while the American top 1% has become richer and richer?

If pro actually seriously contests this point, then he needs to explain whose loss is OPIC's gain. OPIC is, to put it in economics terms, a zero-sum game.

OPIC is Entirely Self Sufficient
My opponent's entire case in this debate is to stop OPIC being self sufficient and make it in part taxpayer funded. That forces every taxpayer to be a stakeholder in one of the most immoral frameworks in the modern economy. There is no opt-out. So the idea that OPIC is self-sufficient being so intrinsically great is entirely pointless when my opponent's whole argument is that it should not be. Again, this is no original argument of this round.

There are numerous more ethical trade firms available to whom this kind of logic applies but who would provide much greater benefits for everybody involved. These are known as "fair trade" organizations, and can be distinguished because unlike OPIC agreements, they at least try to act for a sustainable future in poor countries.

If the point is that the US government should invest in self-sufficient entities, might I suggest they instead invest in companies that generate a profit by providing a valuable good or service, or even in themselves. There is no need for an OPIC middleman who are obliged to give a big chunk of their profits to the Montgomeries and the Burnses of the world who invest in corporations as shady as OPIC. Every single loan shark in the world is "self sufficient" in the way my opponent implies it, but it is not the role of the government to bankroll every single loan shark. Nor is it fair to single out the one loan shark of OPIC for this funding.

Finally, on this point, I just want to clarify that not everything OPIC gets they make more of. They take more of it away from somebody else, usually leaving the other side no better off. OPIC by themselves do not make anything. I presented several examples of this in the previous round.

OPIC maintains 277,000 American Jobs
This is factually inaccurate. Not even OPIC says this. They think they support that many jobs - meaning, that many people have jobs IN PART thanks to something OPIC once did. For example, if they work for a company with a supplier whose electricity bill came from a company who got a grant from OPIC a decade ago, that would be counted in this figure, even though there's 3 degrees of separation. It is more than likely the same job could also be supported in another way. Further it is deeply questionable whether the fact OPIC once took money from a company loosely associated with a job actually "supports" that job. OPIC directly creates a dozen or so American jobs with their office staff, and nothing more, so there is literally nobody claiming that funding OPIC creates more American jobs.

There are however reasons to doubt OPIC on this. First of all, they don't tell us how they calculated this. There's no citation or study. They could have just literally pulled that number out of thin air. Making policy decisions on the basis of such incomplete data is stupid. There is no way to tell how many of these investments would have been made WITHOUT OPIC getting in the way, so there's no real way of knowing this for sure anyway.

These arguments can also be cross-applied to my opponent's claims of jobs sustained overseas. Once again this wasn't a dropped argument, it simply wasn't signposted to my opponent's satisfaction.

OPIC Stimulates 70 Billion Dollars in Exports
OPIC has invested 200 billion overseas. They have generated 70 billion in exports. That's really not impressive. If you want to generate exports the US government should more support export agencies as opposed to OPIC. (Once again, this figure comes from OPIC themselves, not independent research).

OPIC creates exports indirectly by forcing poor countries to buy $70 billion worth of stuff from the US. These are not goods that are available in the sense that people in poor countries can just pick them up at the local shop. They are only available through exclusive OPIC contract. Without OPIC, that does not mean the goods would not be available, only that they would not be supplied with the ridiculous political and economic conditions OPIC imposes. Solar panel makers are not going to stop producing solar panels just because the funding for these is from a source other than OPIC, for example.

Con has painted these solar panel manufacturers, oil tycoons etc as being poor, common "craftsmen, artists and merchants", the "common man". This is:
  • Usually not true. Most factory workers are waged and do not earn marginal income because OPIC were the ones to fund a particular program; and
  • Logically fallacious because it assumes these exports would not have happened without OPIC.
Con provides no evidence at all that millions share in the wealth, but even if they did, the fact that the bulk of the wealth goes to the rich means that the rich get richer without a corresponding increase in wealth for the poor. The poor here are the ones whom OPIC takes money from in order to generate a profit. Ultimately pro cannot argue with the simple fact that money has to come from somewhere and that OPIC does not have a magic money tree in their back yard. If he says OPIC makes some people richer then he must also concede that OPIC makes somebody, somewhere, poorer.

OPIC doesn't do great things and while the rich can do great things, that does NOT mean those things need to be done through OPIC. In my substantive case I show why we can't trust OPIC. Not least how I showed that Moldova is now competing with US grain exporters and even penetrating the US market, probably costing jobs at home, but of course OPIC doesn't do that kind of complex causality so we have no way of knowing.

OPIC Reduces the Budget Deficit of the United States of America
My opponent is mistaken. A $300 million deficit reduction does not equate to $300 million a year less spending. It means the government has $300 million less in debt only in relative terms. That's not to say that without OPIC, debt would be $300 million higher. It's to say that OPIC increases the balance of the USA by $300 million by making other countries indebted to you, "cancelling out" a portion of the debt you accrue.

You still have to spend to pay back all the debt you make to other countries. More importantly, the countries the US is indebted to are very different from the places OPIC collects their predatory loans from. Taxpayers don't get magic money, and certainly doctors don't become so much more efficient to also save $300 million on healthcare AND on roads AND on schools (no idea how my opponent came to this conclusion). OPIC does not have it as their mission to improve the standard of living of people in the US and there is no evidence they have done so.

If you review my answer you'll note that I said it was reduced "on paper". I worded that carefully. In the government's books, sure, it looks reduced. But the taxpayers still need to pay everything back and the government gets nothing from OPIC in return.

Finally, OPIC is a loan broker. In and of itself it can hardly be called a financial institution as my opponent put it.

OPIC's Dedication Towards Renewable Energy and Climate Control
What I actually conceded was that OPIC's investments are more often into green projects than other investment agencies because they attach environmental clauses to everything, regardless of whether those clauses make environmental sense. I need to make clear that the alternative here isn't fossil fuels. It's even GREENER energy because you don't need foreign supply.

Let me give an example. In New Zealand we have rivers and wind. We don't have that many minerals or big open plains. So to build a solar plant here would be a waste when we could be building dams or wind turbines. That's GREENER energy. It would be smart of us to supply what we can locally and if we need a special part, then we import it. Instead, think of how OPIC would operate if they ran our energy policy. They'd know that in the US they have a lot of solar equipment, so if we came asking for help to build a power plant, they'd charge us for shipping solar equipment to our country across the wide pacific. That's not environmentally responsible, that's putting US profits ahead of the environment (as an aside, the actual mineral mining and manufacturing process of solar cells is really bad. It takes many years for a solar plant to offset its own emissions in construction even when compared against fossil fuels, especially in the light of modern clean coal technology, but its kind of beside the point. OPIC would just as quickly build a wind turbine in a place with no wind just because they have turbines to sell).

If anything it could be argued OPIC encourages more US manufacturers to uptake green energy manufacturing, although there's no evidence of that. But there is no truth to the claim that energy production overall is greener due to OPIC. The scenario I described above for New Zealand is practically exactly the same for Power Africa. They're selling people energy they don't need at prices they can't afford, except that it's not even really a sale because the country doesn't end up owning what they pay for (unlike all the other investment companies).

Under any definition of environmental soundness other than that used by OPIC themselves, OPIC is in fact a far less green investment company than their competition. Merely attaching environmental conditions to their projects should not be used as the test for whether they are green or not, as my opponent does.

Resource Production is Higher Under OPIC
My opponent thinks I dropped this point. Can he be serious? In a real-life debate this tactic might work. This is the internet, however. Any judge can scroll back up and check the record for themselves.

My point that third world countries do not produce more in aggregate while OPIC is taking money away from them remains totally undisputed, uncontested, and utterly dropped in this debate. To take the point one step further, consider that OPIC's investments are largely in infrastructure - things that don't in any way fulfill the needs of third world countries right now suffering from famine, poverty and disease. They don't support, for example, poor farmers. They support grain exporters to bring more food OUT of the third world. Infrastructure is useless if you don't have the money to be able to produce goods to use it. This is especially true if the profits from that infrastructure go back to the united states, meaning you can't even use that infrastructure to earn a profit to pay off the loan.

As for a more globalized society, taking money from poor countries and giving it to rich countries creates international economic division, not a platform for co-operation. Right now there are poor people starving on the streets of Angola, and OPIC could easily feed them all. Heck, I played a couple of games of freerice just now to prove the point, and in so doing did more for those people in 15 minutes than OPIC has done in many decades. Instead OPIC funds power plants on money that those starving people will need to cough up somehow. And they won't even get any electricity unless they cough up more money for each watt they use. It's basically modern slavery - a way for the rich country (the USA) to collectively "own" the poor country (Angola, and many other African nations).

"Concessions in Cross Examination"
All of them are only half-true at best:
  • OPIC reduces the US budget deficit - as shown above, pro thinks this is conceded only because he doesn't know how a budget deficit works. I actually conceded that it's reduced on paper, the last two words being key.
  • OPIC has funded more conservation and environmental projects than any other trade firm - while this was conceded, it was not in the context pro painted it in round. OPIC is not a greener trade company than other trade firms.
  • It is up to the countries and financial institutions to decide to accept OPIC's money - this is phrased in such a way as to imply it is a fair choice. As I showed both in round and in the cross-examination
  • Most of OPIC's projects are green, as in "renewable". - as I showed in round, not all "renewable" energy is made equal
  • OPIC helps America in the short term - I attached a number of conditions and qualifiers to this that my opponent conveniently misses.
  • OPIC gives loans to the poor - who a) have collateral and b) usually are owned by wealthy US business-people. Technically true but not the whole picture that I communicated once again. OPIC is not micro-finance and any suggestion of it needs to be blown out of the water.
  • My data that nations OPIC trades with receive a surplus is true - This was not conceded and I'll deal with it in just a moment.
  • OPIC helps the third world - not what I said. I said OPIC is capable of helping certain individuals in the third world in the short term.
  • OPIC trains small businesses - training didn't come up in the CX at all. I have no idea what pro is on about with this. OPIC does not provide training to anybody. They are loan brokers, and nothing more. Certainly not magic fountains of money and knowledge as pro implies.

OPIC is capitalism
NO. OPIC is a single investment corporation who broker loans with ridiculous conditions. There are other companies who also broker loans, except that they don't have all their admin paid for by the US government like OPIC does. From the time President Nixon founded it (as a kind of temporary workaround to low FDI, but like many expenditures OPIC is still there even after it is no longer needed), OPIC has had a privileged position in the marketplace. It is not a natural result of capitalism.

Pure capitalism isn't necessarily the best economic system. Some of you may agree with me on that, some may not. But either way the statement that OPIC is capitalism is neither true, nor is it necessarily an argument for paying OPIC quarterly stipends out of the government books even if it is true.

"Selective examples"
If I had wanted to use selective examples, I could have simply used the following, based on the Heritage Foundation's deep analysis of OPIC's books. Sure the Heritage Foundation is slightly biased against OPIC, but then I was using OPIC's own examples, and OPIC is naturally biased towards themselves. So to balance out the narrative consider these:
  • $160 million to Enron and two other corporations to help build the $2.9 billion Dabhol Energy Project in India. Not only did Enron go bankrupt, but the government of India expropriated the failed project.
  • Obama bundler James Torrey, a board member of MicroVest Capital Management, was nominated to serve on OPIC’s board of directors in 2010. In 2013, MicroVest Short Duration Fund LP and MicroVest + Plus LP received about $8 million in insurance for projects in Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Nicaragua. Another $6 million in insurance was provided in 2013 for projects in Russia, but the project descriptions were not available online.
  • The Soros Economic Development Fund was approved for $3.9 million for renewable-energy projects in Moldova in 2013. The Soros fund’s general counsel is a former OPIC senior commercial associate.
  • A Porsche/Jaguar/Land Rover dealership in Ukraine owned by Winner Imports received $20 million in 2013. Joe Biden’s “very good friend” John Hynansky is chairman/CEO of Winner Auto Group.

The fact is that there are plenty of dubious investments among OPIC's portfolio to say the least. My opponent has used literally no examples, no narrative and no contextual analysis in this debate. His arguments are theoretical at best. In any practical sense my case trumps his lack of one.

It is up to Countries and Financial Institutions to Accept OPIC's Money
Everyone gets a bad deal out of OPIC. A good deal out of OPIC would be contrary to OPIC's purpose - that is to say, to take as much money out of poor countries as possible.

Much of this has already been refuted, in this round, the cross-examination, and the previous round. I will re-iterate the key point though, because my opponent never responds to it even though this is apparently a rebuttal point.

Consider credit insurance or payday loans. There is very good statistical analysis out there that these industries would not be profitable if only those people who could use them most effectively to their advantage purchased them. This is, however, not the case. They are tempting for just about everybody, so everybody buys them anyway regardless of their true financial circumstances in terms of ability to pay back and such. If you have a budget and such then you'll be able to see through the scam pretty simply, but the unfortunate reality is most people don't. This doesn't mean they're too stupid to do so, but that they don't do it.

It's a similar deal with OPIC, but with two big differences. First, OPIC's conditions make it impossible to borrow if it would be profitable for you to do so. All the profits have to go back to the United States through OPIC. It's inherently unfair, predatory lending. And second, the loans are infinitely more complex. You really need a good grasp of economics to understand the potential long-term impacts of the loans even if OPIC did explain it to you in depth (which of course they don't). Within the United States, predatory lending is banned already to a significant degree. You can't charge unfair interest rates, for example. So the US has already accepted that in principal, economic liberty and choice can be reasonably restricted in the name of protecting vulnerable customers.

The only further question we need to ask in this debate is whether this freedom from uninformed lending practices extends to the third world. These third world entrepreneurs don't have MBAs like OPIC people do. OPIC has the job of tricking them into making loans they can't afford for things they don't need to earn money they won't get. By simply offering the loans to enough people OPIC is bound to find some hopeful person in the third world needing cash and failing to realize what he's dooming his country to by accepting it. OPIC makes you lose your entire wealth, and your country's wealth too. They use natural resources of third world countries to support the economy of the USA. They cheat and exploit people. If OPIC was a single person they would without a doubt be the most successful loan shark in history. Loan sharks operate by cheating people, not offering a fair, rational choice.

It isn't that OPIC's existence forces people to make these decisions. There are indeed other loan sharks out there. There are also less shady investment corporations and charities giving money to the third world. I am merely saying that this isn't the sort of organization the US government should be giving a stipend to.

Game theory
The game theory of Albert William Tucker, as presented by my opponent, makes one critical assumption. That being - that people are rational. For example, the statement "If two sides have net gain from performing an action, both sides will partake" sounds entirely rational, right? It's what a rational person would do.

How many people do you know who are rational 100% of the time?

Let me give you an extreme example. At NASA, people have to be kind of rational. They're super smart engineers and such after all. So the Space Shuttle Columbia took off and something fell off its wing. The engineers were all like "uh guys, we'd better take a look at that...", but then the management were like "yeah nah, we know astronaut safety is more important, but we're going to care more about time and budget anyway". There was no rational defense for it. They just did it because they were not acting rationally at the time. They chose instead to conform to what had become the workplace culture.

On the other hand, game theory also assumes complete information. USUALLY we don't actually know what the outcome of different events will be. We're not sure if the outcome is good or bad. For example, if I chose to invest in Microsoft, I don't know whether those stocks will go up... or down.

So it should really read "If two RATIONAL people KNOW they will have a net gain in performing an action, both sides will partake".

In OPIC's case, only OPIC makes a gain. But information in OPIC's case is assymetric, and sometimes people make deals with others even though they know it will be bad for them. After all, this is exactly why people still take up smoking in this day and age - either they don't know smoking is bad for you, or they take it up despite knowing it will be bad for them. It wouldn't be rational of them for sure, but then Tucker's theory is imperfect and really only applies to the broadest economic models that seem designed more so that economics 101 classes have something to do, than any real-world application.

YX theorem
This assumes an even distribution of potential outcomes. OPIC is deliberately designed so that OPIC always wins. You can't beat them. There is no OPIC success story ever in the sense that everyone was better off. The only people OPIC makes better off are their fat cat investors. The educational value of OPIC in teaching us to be wary of OPIC does not justify giving them a stipend either, so any suggestion that failure of the OPIC system is a success in its own right is fallacious.

My opponent stated that "Social research has determined that throughout history, in any given scenario, no matter what the topic in question is, the YX theorem will simulate like one of the two." Let me give an example to show that this is false, and that YX does indeed rely on an outcome being uncertain. Remember King Canute the Great sitting on his throne trying to command the tide? He tried to command the tide many times, but each time he failed. He could get no better at the task because he was literally incapable of commanding the tide. Sociology has nothing to do with it. It's a simple matter of physics that King Canute had no power over the tides.

There is no YX in the theory of OPIC. There is only YY. Anyone who agrees to an OPIC loan has no power over OPIC. As is often said, the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

OPIC Gives Loans to The Poor
I'm not acting like this is a bad thing. It is a bad thing.

Ordinarily a loan is where you get money because somebody believes in you, but OPIC isn't like that. Allow me therefore to take this opportunity to recap OPIC's loan process:
  • OPIC gives you a loan not because they believe in you but because they're trying to scam you out of money
  • OPIC forces you to spend the money only on particular products that may not be in your best interests to buy
  • OPIC then forces you to repay these purchases in full
  • If you use these purchases to make money, OPIC takes that money from you too forever (and this doesn't count towards repaying the loan)
  • This money is not reinvested in the economy (as with traditional banks)

Even if this were "good but not good enough" that's a great reason to not pay them a stipend. We shouldn't be satisfied and pay vast sums of taxpayer money towards projects that a mediocre. But OPIC is worse than that. I asserted in the last round that OPIC actually destroys third world economies. I asserted that it robs the poor and gives to the rich. If we want to talk about things that haven't been contested in this debate, there's two prime examples right there.

Trade Surplus in Participating Countries
If my opponent wins this debate, aliens will come invade planet Earth and kill us all!

Oh wait, you don't believe that? Well prove it. Prove that aliens are not reading this debate right now and getting angry about pro's comments. Oh, you can't disprove my assertion? Well then obviously I must be right! You've failed as a debater because debating is about proving the other side wrong. If my opposition cannot prove that aliens are not the most important issue in this debate he must consider it true.

In my world, that's not what debating is about at all. It's about making persuasive claims with convincing evidence - and if you make an extraordinary claim, you'd better have extraordinary evidence too. Pro made a claim much like my claim about aliens, that every single country that OPIC invested in made a profit. I'm 100% confident that none have made a profit as a result of anything OPIC has done. I simply don't have data for every country though. Since my opponent is claiming he does, he's the one that needs to back up his claim. What he asserted without evidence, I am simply dismissing without evidence. If he has evidence he would show it. Since he doesn't, he must be making stuff up. It's telling about the reliability of my opponent's claims in general. I referred to this earlier.

Pro claims he has reliable information on his side. His onus right now is to share it. Show his sources and such. As long as he doesn't do so, I urge everybody to not believe him. In the mean time, allow me to share what I DO know.

Take a look at Russia's trade balance:

The line excluding oil and gas is significantly more relevant to us. Russia's trade balance, as the graph shows, is on a very clear downward trend for many decades. Zao SoIntse was funded in 2007. Do you see any difference in the trend in 07-08? No. The trade balance remained bad and OPIC had no discernable impact. If anything the imports Zao SoIntse was forced into contributed to the downward trend.

Think that's a fluke? Well let's look at my second example. Bear in mind these are the BEST examples OPIC has a a successfully funded project:

From -11.3 in 2007 the current account was significantly worse in the next two years. The subsequent upturn on the graph can largely be attributed to the rest of Europe collapsing (pretty much) which always tends to favor producers of primary goods somewhat (New Zealand had the same experience during the post-world-war period, as did some parts of the United States). It is not clear from this that anything OPIC did helped at all.

He also apparently is a defender of trickle-down economics. "The people, however slow, and however little, do get some of that new wealth." Allow me to begin this analysis with a short historical precedent via about.com:

If trickle-down economics worked, then lower tax rates during the Reagan Revolution should have increased the lowest income levels. In fact, the exact opposite has occurred. Income inequality has worsened. Between 1979 and 2005, after-tax household income rose 6% for the bottom fifth of income earners. That sounds great, until you see what happened for the top fifth -- an 80% increase in income. The top 1% saw their income triple. Instead trickling down, it appears that prosperity trickled up! (Source: Steven Greenhouse, The Big Squeeze, pp.6-9)

There's a good economic reason why this is: rich people are greedy. Like dragons hiding gold in caves on top of mountains, rich people tend to hoard and accumulate wealth, and not give it away so easily. This strategic saving is often the reason why they're rich in the first place. It's a failed economic idea. If we want to support poor people, then at some point we need to accept the notion that we actually have to give support to poor people as opposed to rich people. Nothing about OPIC - or giving OPIC a stipend - helps poor people in any way.

Not to mention the fact that as I showed last round, based on my opponent's own data the payback ratio for US businesses is only 2-3% anyway.

What pro conceded
And when I say that, I don't mean that as a half-truth or out of context assertion. I mean these as things pro actually conceded or dropped.
  • That OPIC's wealth mostly goes to the rich
  • That OPIC's mission statement is effectively to make US businesses run the entire world
  • That OPIC routinely puts profit before people
  • That OPIC ensures profit by systematically annihilating their competition
  • That in doing so OPIC actively works against the third world
  • That OPIC's hegemonic control is the same as China's control on the US
  • That price signal distortions invalidate the core of his economic case
  • That OPIC is a poverty trap
  • That OPIC are more analogous to loan sharks than legitimate lenders

Pro does not accept the premise that OPIC forces countries in poor countries to buy from rich countries, yet at the same time says OPIC is directly responsible for boosting US exports. This shows a frightening level of unfamiliarity with OPIC and how they operate. He doesn't explain how OPIC works, still clings to the belief they create magic money out of thin air, and doesn't have any practical evidence to support his sweeping claims outside of a few graphs in the first round that don't really prove anything substantive to this debate.

OPIC is a bad corporation. Not something every hard-working American taxpayer should be forced to support.

The resolution is negated.

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2014-11-27 23:19:33
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Cross-Examination
admin: Can we limit this CX exchange to one question at a time?
Stag : I was going to start it a lot later, but sure.
admin: Great. In round one you stated "capitalism dictates profit will always be on both sides". Can you explain to me what kind of economic model dictates trade must inevitably be profitable for all parties, and on what basis it arrives at that conclusion?
Stag : As a request though, can we wait a week before starting this? I need to do more research in the meantime...
admin: Frankly you can answer my question whenever you want. There's no way for me to stop you. :D
admin: Well, 15 days later, what are my chances of getting some answers?
admin: Have we finally agreed OPIC requires a minimum set of contingencies, or do you still disagree with OPIC themselves?
Stag : I agree that OPIC has minimum contingencies in the interest of making money for all parties involved
admin: In round one you stated "capitalism dictates profit will always be on both sides". Can you explain to me what kind of economic model dictates trade must inevitably be profitable for all parties, and on what basis it arrives at that conclusion?
Stag : The intelligent economic model. Both sides trade to make a profit, therefore we must believe both sides will become profitable. In that statement I was referring to trade.
admin: Do you therefore believe that anytime somebody intends something to be profitable, it will be profitable?
Stag : No
admin: If not every time, then when does the statement "Both sides trade to make a profit, therefore we MUST believe both sides WILL become profitable" not hold true?
Stag : It holds true all the time, when we are only talking about trade. Not every profitable venture is perceived through trade.
admin: So you believe all trade is profitable?

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adminadmin (CON)
My opponent has forfeited, despite having a month to post. And he didn't even answer my CX questions in any manner that can be called prompt.

This much is clear, but I hope we can continue the debate anyway. I look forward to the summary round.

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2015-01-25 17:52:12
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BlackflagBlackflag
Bug Report: I wasn't sure at first, but now I am. I get two notifications for every comment.
Posted 2014-08-13 16:45:06
nzlockienzlockie
I like arguments with pie charts in them.
It almost doesn't matter what the pie charts say.
Posted 2014-08-13 16:42:41
BlackflagBlackflag
It depends which politicians. There are some very smart one's and some VERY stupid one's.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:50:24
adminadmin
I think US politicians are probably frequently poor sources of strong arguments, if our NZ politicians are anything to go by.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:45:34
BlackflagBlackflag
This actually has became a debate in the US this month. We're trying to relaunch our import-export bank, which like OPIC is now, doesn't cost any money or taxes, while also making revenue. I suppose some of our politicians on that issue can give you some ideas for this debate.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:42:05
adminadmin
Probably. I can see saner objections but they're easier to rebut.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:38:22
BlackflagBlackflag
You will be playing devils advocate, right?
Posted 2014-08-13 15:37:08
BlackflagBlackflag
0_0
Well good luck
Posted 2014-08-13 15:36:03
adminadmin
I was summarizing a lot obviously.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:35:10
BlackflagBlackflag
OPIC doesn't interfere with the markets :/
It simply invests in them
Posted 2014-08-13 15:32:41
adminadmin
free markets
Posted 2014-08-13 15:31:49
BlackflagBlackflag
I'm curious. Feel free to summarize,
Posted 2014-08-13 15:29:21
adminadmin
I think I have a good devil's advocate case here lol... just need to decide if I want to run it or go for a more risky approach.
Posted 2014-08-13 15:27:54
BlackflagBlackflag
The only known group that has tried to dismiss OPIC was the Heritage foundation back in 2000.
As a warning, they're biased as hell. You should see their publications on homosexuality :P
Posted 2014-08-13 15:14:57
ArcTimesArcTimes
lol 21 days to post? Month per round?
Posted 2014-07-24 09:38:29
BlackflagBlackflag
Can't wait to debate this. 10 minutes....... uh
Posted 2014-07-11 22:30:04
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