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That selling human organs should be legal

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sunbrightsunbright (PRO)
 Marcia Clark and William Clerk shows a situation which human organs is urgently needed to save a little girl. ``  `  Imagine your little girl needs a heart 
transplant. If she gets it in time, she`  will live a long, healthy life. Without it, your child has, at most, one year to live. You put her on a 
heart donor waiting list, full of hope.`  `   1)    According to the U.S. government site organdonor.gov, `  `  an average of 18 people die
each day waiting for transplants that can` t take place because of the shortage of donated organs. And that number is on the rise.`  2)    The important thing is that there is a much demand for human organs which are required to conduct transplants for saving many human life.  Serious problem is a lack of supply of human organs.  Here, the problem of demand for human organs and supply of human organs emerges. In other words, the market which consists of demand for human organs and supply of human organs emerges to save human life. 
  Taking this situation into consideration, selling human organs is reasonable and justified. Now I look at organ donation and transplantation in the United States. `  `  Organ transplantation offers a unique chance to extend and/or save lives and improve the 
health of those in need. The number of organ transplants has grown steadily over the past 65 years, with more than 750,000 transplants conducted in the United States since 1988. However, the need vastly outweighs the number of available organs.
Approximately 20 people on the national organ transplant waiting list die each day, while every 10 minutes a new person is added to that list.``  `   3)       

 From above arguments, the important thing is that demand for organs exceeds supply of organs.  Therefore, this situation leads to the higher price for organs and bring huge profit for those who sell human organs.  The market mechanism works.
People who hope for extending or prolonging their life are tempted to pay much money for buying organs used for transplant. 
In particular,  we can see many donors in many developing or newly emerging counties.  The main reason is that donors hope to get much money to support their daily life. 

 Let me present one example in Philippines.   `  `  In fact, there is some evidence that the financial incentive works. Organ sales are 
permitted in the Philippines as long as the donor recipients are native. A Philippine organ recipient describes the domestic market: `  Nobody in these parts ,`  she said, `  would donate a kidney without getting paid.`   And the market is thriving. 
This recipient stated that the prices for organs are going up.`  `   4)   

Concerning the selling human organs, most important thing is that selling and buying must be conducted through perfectly legal 
process. Legal agreement between buyer and seller(donor) must be made concerning the price, health condition of donor, condition of the organ which is expected to transplant and the blood type of buyer and donor.  A donor should not sell organ to buyer without legal agreement made between them. This is justified from the legal, moral and ethical point of view.
From the above arguments, I believe that selling human organs should be legal. 

              Sources: 1), 2), 4) Selling your organs: Should it be legal? Do you own yourself? ( https://www.forbes.com.)
                              3) National Survey of Organ Donation Attitudes and Practices, 2019 ( https:// www.organdonor.gov.)  

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2020-12-12 06:53:10
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9spaceking9spaceking (CON)
A market for human organs, if legalized, would be severely problematic.

I. Contradictory for the Poor

Proponents of the Human Organ Market likely think the poor will benefit from the legalization. But this is not the case. From a study in India, it's clear that organ donation averages around to $1,000/month, nowhere near enough for the monthly cost of living. The fact that the same source notes 80% of donors do not recommend selling, the irrationality of the desperation is clearly shown. Logically your health would be worsened, making it more difficult to keep working and managing your family. Indeed, even in a legal example within Iran, the only country that legalizes human organs' market, proves that the poor do not benefit from being able to sell their organs. Firstly, poor information from the market dealers makes it unlikely that the poor will get a deal. Even the government could only enforce a lowly price of 4,600$ per organ. The writer notes that 70% of the Iranian organ vendors are still poor. And the nurse notes that the black market is not prevented, only further encouraged and now officially sanctioned. The transfer of wealth and inequality is a notable problem as nothing is fixed.

Furthermore, the prices existing for victims who need the organs will arise as a result. The same source explains, "currently, while hospital fees may be large, the donor system ensures that prices for organ stay low. If we are to legalize commodification, there is no guarantee that supply will meet the demand, the impetus which lowers prices." The poor will no longer be able to pay as well because organs now have higher costs that solely the rich will be able to afford. This goes to explain why illegal organ trafficking will increase, as there is still yet a greater demand for free organs. The six billion people currently living in countries with a corruption problem go to infer that legalization would completely fail. As such, no matter what system we have, the poor will always be exploited, and never resolve the problem of their poverty.

II. Human dignity

Though we have our rights for liberty, life, and the pursuit of happiness, we cannot waive the right to liberty. The human body is an invaluable asset and while you are free to use it as you wish, to sell it sends the wrong message. You are saying your body and your potential autonomy is worth money. But people should not be able to put you in jail merely through bribery. Money, a temporary materialistic ideal, cannot match up to the transcendent ideals of life and freedom. Not only so, but you are also saying it is worth a price only the rich can buy. It would be illogical for a poor victim to support another poor seller. So you would be reducing the power of selflessness provided by the ability to provide organs for free! You reduce the humans to a means as an end, rather than highlighting the altruistic and virtuous nature of men we all should strive for. With both of these combined, I advocate for illegalization to discourage people from selling off themselves. Think of how slavery is outlawed, and we don't allow people to sell their liberty off to another. While people are capable of making their own decisions, depression and urgency can cause a person to lack the true autonomy to make a well-informed decision. Compounded by the selfish greed of the rich man, it is impossible to justify the selling of human organs from a moral basis.

III. Implementation

Many proponents of the organ market worry that the problem of organ shortage will never be solved. But the opt-out program in many countries has resolved the issue already. Noted from Stanford.edu, Austria's donation acceptance is 90%, compared to the US's 15%. It is only logical that most people would go with the status quo. To avoid complete loss of liberty as proponents argue, many family members can overwrite the decision. Nevertheless, Spain with the same system has the highest donation rate per million overall. Though some worry that the ability to ask for permission is very difficult, there has been proposed a two-step plan to resolve the problem. Firstly, you ask for permission to maintain the body for the donation. Next, the authorization to donate would be asked only after the given time to process the death. By allowing thoughtful decisions, we can resolve the problem of emotional influence. As we combine opt-out with educating people about the organ donation possibility, there is no doubt that the shortage of organs will be solved without having to put our human dignity at risk.

As you can see the market for organs is illogical and simply cannot be implemented. Now onto Con.
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2020-12-12 17:13:15
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9spaceking: sorry, I meant "onto pro". Do you agree that the poor are taken advantage of when organs can be sold?
9spaceking: hello?
sunbright: I believe the poor are not taken advantage of when organs can be sold. In many casesTheir organs
sunbright: I missed. I try again. I believe that the poor are not taken advantage of when organs are sold. Generally speaking, they are not better health condition and face poor-nourished. Therefore, their organs are not sold in higher prices compared with those among the rich people.

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sunbrightsunbright (PRO)
 In this section, I try to express my opinion concerning the arguments presented by Con. 
First is about `  `  1.Contradictory for the Poor.`  `   
I believe that income disparity between the rich and the poor causes serious health disparity between them. In this dire situation, 
there is high possibility that the poor can not buy healthy and well-functioning human organs because they have not enough money to get it. Is there any way to help them?  Con argues that `  `  nothing is fixed.`  `   However, I believe there is one possible way to save the life of the poor. That is the intervention of public institutions to monitor the market for human organs. 
This policy contributes to conducting selling and buying of human organs reasonably and effectively. 
However, unfortunately as Con points out, corruption problem exists in many countries.  Government officials ignore the black 
market surrounding the market for human organs. They receive much money from people involved in the black market. 
However, by enforcing the power of law and citizens we can fight against corruption. 
First is to end impunity. The most important thing is that effective law enforcement is essential to break the cycle of impunity. 1) 
And `  `  successful enforcement approaches are supported by a strong legal framework, law enforcement  branches and an independent and effective court system.`  `   2)   Second is to promote transparency and access to information. 
` `  Countries successful at curbing corruption have a long tradition of government openness, freedom of the press, transparency and access to information. Access to information increases the responsiveness of government bodies, while simultaneously having a positive effect on the levels of public participation in a country.` `   3)
 These two policies are urgently required to promote reasonable market for human organs. 

  Second is about Con`s second argument: ` ` 2. Human Dignity` `  
When a person faces extreme poverty and serious diseases, as Con points out, a person finds it very difficult to ` `  make a well-informed decision.` `    Coping with this situation, I believe that strict rules or law which contributes to helping a person cope with the situation must be introduced by the government. In this case care-worker and medical assistant who are given the right to  administer their work by the public institution are urged to advice and recommend a reliable donor for a person who is hoping to buy human organ. To protect human dignity and the right to live selling and buying of human organs should be conducted legally and reasonably with the intervention of public institutions.  

 Third is about Con` s third argument: ` 3.` Implementation` `    
Con argues that ` `  there is no doubt that the shortage of organs will be solved without having to put our human dignity at risk.` `
The important thing is that market for human organs must be operated and conducted without violating human dignity and the 
right to live as long as possible for all people of the world. We must find possible ways to realize this purpose.
I believe that cooperation and trust among public institutions, the general public and medical institutions based on the power of law and free flow of information are urgently required for promoting and keeping fair, reasonable and reliable market for human 
organs.      Now on to Con.

                               Sources: 1), 2), 3 )   How to stop corruption (https://www.transparency.org.)     

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2020-12-22 12:55:44
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9spaceking9spaceking (CON)
Pro cross-applies a single legality principle in an attempt to show that selling human organs could work. But he has not shown that this could be feasibly implemented, nor would it actually work. Who would pass it? Who would enforce it? How could we manage it? Even in Iran, where the government enforces the price, we see it only at a shoddy $4,600 per organ, far lower than the estimated price of kidney worth nearly 100,000$ or higher in the black market. The greedy men who resell organs at an exponentially higher price will be nearly unstoppable. Cracking down on black market will be even more difficult since now the human organ market is legal. And Pro has not addressed that opt out program manages to resolve the main problem of organ shortage around the world.
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2020-12-22 23:59:51
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9spaceking: do you have any evidence that your legality framework would actually work?
9spaceking: in addition, what do you have to say about Iran's failure?
sunbright: I try to challenge the question about Iran`s failure. Government of Iran enforces the price of human organs in the market. However, unfortunately the price sometimes rises so high because black market and the greedy men exist. We must admit as long as there are people who want to buy human organs in spite of their higher prices, black market and the greedy men play a role in conducting the deal. Unfortunately, those who can`t buy human organ are destined to suffer from the disease or to die. This is their destiny.
sunbright: I try to answer the question about legality framework. I understand that legality is an agreement. So if the agreement between a buyer and a seller is made concerning the deal over human organs, legality works. Here I look at the case of the U.S.. In general, selling human organs is banned by law. However, some people have shown unsatisfactory attitude. `` The ruling came about at the end of 2011, in a decision to an October 2009 lawsuit brought by a group of cancer patients, parents and bone-marrow- donation advocates against the government over the federal law banning the deal.

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sunbrightsunbright (PRO)
 This is the last round of the debate. Most people want to live as long as possible and want to be released from the severe pain of the disease which they are suffering from.  Therefore, the needs for buying healthy human organs emerges. To meeting their urgent requests, selling of human organs is urgently needed. The market of human organs is established. 
In this situation human organs turn to `  goods`  which are transacted on the market. But the important thing is that they are different from other `  goods`  like daily necessities, cars, foods or electric appliances. Transacted and transplanted human organs are closely linked to help human beings survive and extend their life possibly longer.  Therefore, the deal over buying and selling of human organs must be conducted fairly by taking legal, lawful, ethical and moral perspectives into consideration between 
buyer and seller.  So, in some cases, the intervention of  public institutions is required to proceed the deal fairly, reasonably and morally.  I look at the case of China.  `  `  State media are quoting a top health official as saying China will phase out the practice of 
taking organs from executed prisoners.  The official Xinhua News Agency quoted Vice Health Minister as saying that organ donations from condemned prisoners will be abolished within five years. It said hospitals will rely instead on a national organ donation system that is being set up.`  `  1)  

 `  `  Different scholars have different views about the precise scope and extent of the regulation required, but most support the
requirements that organ sellers give valid consent , are paid a reasonable fee, and are provided with adequate medical care.`  `   2)
For example, Taylor says that `  `  at minimum- a market should require that vendors give their informed  consent to the sale of their kidneys, that they not be coerced into selling their kidneys for a third party and that they receive adequate post- operative 
care.`  `  3)  The important thing is that ways and methods which are reasonably acceptable and agreeable for buyers and sellers of 
human organs must be explored.

 Erin and Harris suggest that`  `  a market in human organs should have the following features: 1. It is limited to a particular geopolitical area, such as a state or the European Union, with only citizens or residents of that area being allowed to sell or to 
receive organs.  2. There is a central public body responsible for making (and funding) all purchases and for allocating organs 
fairly in accordance with clinical criteria. Direct sales are banned. 
 3. Prices are set at a reasonably generous level to attract people voluntarily into the market.   Features (1) and (2) combined are 
supposed to rule out exploitative organ trafficking from poorer countries, while the ban on direct sales and allocation by a central
agency ensure that the organs go not to those most able to pay, but to those in most need.`  `  4) 

 There are many people who can not buy human organs and not transplant them because they are poor or have less opportunity to get them. They may be destined to face death. I believe that we must think about death seriously in the age of Coronavirus-19.
BJ Miller argues that `  `  your death is not the end of your body. The chemical bonds that held you together at the molecular level 
continue to break in the minutes and months after you die.  The energy that once animated the body does not stop.`  `  5) 
 So, human body and organs are essentially different from other `  goods`  .    

  From my three round arguments and cross-examination, I believe that selling and buying human organs should be conducted 
 in legally justified manner between seller and buyer.   

           Sources: 1) China to phase out prisoner organ donation, https://www.nbcnews.com.
                           2), 3), 4) The Sale of Human Organs, https://plato.stanford. edu.
                           5) What is death?  by BJ Miller,  The New York Times International Edition, December22,2020   

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2021-01-04 02:24:27
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9spaceking9spaceking (CON)
Pro has admitted that a lot of work should be done to sell human organs. The information necessary for consent is very difficult to fulfill, and it's well known that money often blinds people to their true judgement and ability. Instead of selling human organs, I argue that we should simply have compensation for their drive, and perhaps life or health insurance. This way, we cover up their costs and encourage them to donate out of their good will and fulfill the idea of human dignity. Pro completely failed to counter how my examples highlight that Iran failed to stop their black market, not to mention that most people were dissatisfied afterwards in the India experiment with only paid a shoddy $1,000 in exchange for their precious organs.
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2021-01-08 20:53:51
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sunbright: I try to answer one of the problems raised by Con in Round 3. Since 1999, the government of Iran has created a program which sets a official fixed price of 4,600 dollars for the deal of human organs. 1) However, unfortunately, many people in Iran were unsatisfied with the price. For them it was too low to make their life better. So many of them showed less intertest in selling their organs like kidneys. From this situation the black market emerged. (Continued to the Comment Section).
sunbright: I try to answer the problem regarding India raised by Con in Round 3. I believe case of India reflects the harsh situation in the country. There are many people who face extreme poverty. So they are compelled to accept the very low price of their organs to make a living or to eliminate the heavy burden of their debt which they must repay how hard they feel dissatisfied. (www.endslavery.va/content/)

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sunbrightsunbright (PRO)
 This debate consisting of 3 rounds has already ended. So I accept this round as supplementary section. 
 According to `  TheRichest` , there are 10 body parts we can legally sell for getting much money. 1)  The important thing is that
 our body parts become `  goods`  which can be transacted on the market. The reason is that there are sellers and buyers who are
 strongly interested in getting extra money and in leading a healthy and happy life no matter how much money is needed to 
 get human organs.   So in many countries of the world there are black markets dealing with human body parts which I discussed
 in this debate. In this section I choose three body parts from among them and argue them. 
 ``  ` Under the National Organ Transplant Act of 1984(NOTA), selling a kidney is illegal in the U.S.A. 
  This ban , in part, has contributed to the rise of the medical tourism industry, with Americans flying to China, Iran, Pakistan,
  to get replacement kidneys. However, in the U.S.A., there is an illegal underground `  black market`  that sells body parts.`  `  2)

  First is Blood. Most ` `  blood bank centers offer incentives to donors, including gifts cards, entry into sweepstakes, free tickets
  to local shows etc.` `  3)  And ` `  the recommended waiting time between donating blood is 56days. 
  Recent reports show that some blood banks encourage donors to donate before the 56 days is up. These blood banks in turn
  sell the blood to hospitals, at up to 300 dollars a pint.` `  4) 

  Second is Hair. There are number of Internet site which the transaction of human hair is conducted. 
  For example, some of them are buyandsell hair. com., thehairtrader,org., and onlinehairaffair.com.  ` `  Since hair grows about 
  six inches a year, you can make between 250dollars and 3,000dollars extra, depending on the quality of your mane and what
  the market demands.`  `  5) 

  Third is Sperm.   ` `  After filling out a long application including providing health information of up to three generations and 
  an oral interview, accepted donors can earn up to 125 dollars per cup.`  `  6)
  The important thing is that `  `  you have to abstain from having an orgasm anywhere but in the clinic. This is to allow them 
  get the best specimens every time.` `  7)  These days market for sperm in the United States is thriving. 
  ` `  About 20 percent of sperm bank clients are heterosexual couples, 60 percent are gay women, and 20 percent are single 
     moms by chance.`  `   8)   And` `  a donor would usually go to a bank once or twice a week over months to produce enough
     sperm to sell to dozens of families.` `  9)   The interest thing is that ` `  many people also want smart sperm. That`s why some 
     big banks are near elite colleges. They have sperm collection centers in Palo Alto, Calif., near Stanford University, and 
     Cambridge, Mass., near Harvard.` `   10)     It is expected that sperm which has been produced by a student of the elite university
     will be sold at higher prices.       
      In concluding this section, human organs can be transacted when demand and supply for them emerge. When the deal
      is conducted, the most important thing is that the agreement and compromise between a seller and a buyer are required 
      concerning the price and conditions of human organs and body parts. In other words, legality is needed.
      And these days this transaction is conducted on a global scale.  
             Sources: 1),2),3),4),5),6),7), 10body parts you can legally sell for big Bucks (https://www.therichest.com.)
                             8),9),10) ` `  Sperm supply. And demand` `  , The  New York Times, International Edition, January 16-17,2021. 

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Cross examination is not working. So I post comments regarding the problem raised by Con in Round 3. Since 1999, the Government of Iran has created a program which sets a official fixed price of 4,600 dollars for the deal of human organs. However, many people were unsatisfied with the price. From this situation the black market emerged. Rich and wealthy Saudi patients pay much money to buy organs and receive transplant operation in Iran. The price is increasing so high. The important thing is that ``living donors are still recruited by middlemen to negotiate prices. The government is not, in many cases, the arbiter in prices it clams to be.``( https://bpr.berkeley.edu.) The government of Iran plays a role as the bystander of black market.
Posted 2021-01-13 00:55:40
Cross examination is not working well. So I post my opinion here. The most important thing is that cooperation and trust among public institutions, the general public and medical institutions based on the power of law and free flow of information are urgently required for promoting and keeping fair, reasonable and reliable market for human organs.
Posted 2020-12-17 14:06:12
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2021-01-30 03:32:40
ZackDavis1997Judge: ZackDavis1997
Win awarded to: sunbright
The only reason why I can see that sunbright one this debate is the siting of sources in the later rounds, both parties showed where the received their information in the first round but after that I only saw that sunbright posted sources.

This was tough both parties outlined and did conclusions, the only thing was the sourcing in the later rounds, and if it was not for that I probably would have given it to 9spaceking for his points in the argument.
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