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That capitalism is superior to socialism

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Bastian_FDBastian_FD (CON)
I would like to start by saying that in reality both sistems are wrong and that we should re-instuite with a pacific counter-economic revolution and implant a market based system,  just like agorism and adressing the actual topic i cannot say socialism is better than capitalism, because in socialism there is lil' to no personal motivations and that is needed in a complex continously evoluting society. also what happened?
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2017-05-22 11:36:19
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PovskiPovski (PRO)
My first round:

I couldn't find a clear and complete definition for neither Capitalism or for Socialism. Below, I summarise what those 2 words generally convey.

In capitalism (C), the means of production are owned by something called private property.
Socialism (S) functions based on any other form of ownership: public, collective, cooperative.

Both approaches may be flawed in their own ways. However this does not rule out the possibility that one is superior to the other. If we can settle on a good system that is different from both C and S, then the superior one is whichever comes closest. 

These 2 theorems of logician Gödel proove the limitations of any axiomatic system. They show that such a system is either incomplete, or it is inconsistent as a whole. Of course, the fact only describes formal systems. Nonetheless, I extend its implications to indicate the problem I see with politics.
Politics is about governing large groups of people; it's about trying to settle what individual parts do and integrate them in a larger collective: a system with political values for axioms (i.e. general human rights). Therefore, as the theory suggests, it can't run perfectly because it is fundamentaly flawed; every struggle to fully control every aspect is bound to fail. Most of the solutions raise even more problems. Indeed, with more elaboration of some aspects of society, come more complicated quagmires. S consists in implementing an ideology  (i.e. trying to control the means of production) on a large society, whereas C allows private actions to operate freely. Consequently, we mark a theoretical point in favor of C. More often then not, a rigid theoretical system of management often fails to cope with the unpredictable social environment. In this sense, C has the upper hand as it leaves more room for trial and error. 

(This was supposed to be my first post that I didn't get to finish)

My second round:

Superior means better, but in what way?
I guess that, in order to decide which one is superior, we first need to find a "common denominator". If they both aim at the same target, the superior one is whichever comes closest. I think we both agree on their ultimate goals, that is to make a better society. Now, how would a good society look like?

Agorism as ideal system:
You suggested that the best model is something very similar to agorism. If we take agorism as an ideal for judging the topic, C has an advantage over S. I will be exposing the main points of Agorism:
1)The free market is a common factor between agorism and C, in contrast with rigurous economical planning which is fundamental in S.
2)Agorism's valuntaryism stems from a religious liberty of conscience which goes hand in hand with individual autonomy and ownership. (the leveller movement)
3)S is regarded as an atheistic ideology which forbids religion. This is relevant for my previous point and also to contrast with counter-economics ("the study or practice of all peaceful human action which is forbidden by the State")

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2017-05-29 12:51:47
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i know right hahah
Posted 2017-06-20 23:49:12
So you're also a threat to this site!
It happened to me as well... No probl
Posted 2017-06-20 21:19:13
sorry i could´t finished, the page banned my ip for "spam" after publishing the second one i sent just to fill the space and skip the time i had to talk with admins heheh sorry
Posted 2017-06-20 00:52:02
How on earth was this debate settled? It's nill-nill.
Posted 2017-06-18 19:39:46
Ideally we could elaborate on interpretation of economic systems with these types of debate, from the choice of wording describing the topic for this debate. By basic principle the debate as a hidden issue. Capitalism is in fact a form of Socialism is there a method for separation here? A full socialist economy is a communist economy as the socialism must be ruled over as a political party not democracy. A democratically organized group may vote against the societies best interests.
So a constitutional suggestion in debate wording.
“ Capitalism is the fest form of economic Socialism.”
By Constitution Socialism is a degree of liberty any given economic system may achieve in society. Understand?
Posted 2017-06-11 02:10:50
Well, this was quite an unfortunate debate
Posted 2017-06-01 14:33:49
There. I did it. I finally pulled through with my post.
Posted 2017-05-29 19:13:57
You dont have to worry about playing dirty, though, because you have 3 days to post your argument regardless of the time I post mine.
Posted 2017-05-21 11:56:35
I have to appologise for this round, Bastian.
Posted 2017-05-21 11:56:23
dissapointing indeed... unless you are playing dirty and wanna publish on last minute so i can´t respond so that you automatically win... that is way more dissapointing
Posted 2017-05-20 19:31:32
yes, it`s rather disappointing when that happens
Posted 2017-05-18 17:35:59
nvm he is in con pos in those debates therefore he can't start
Posted 2017-05-18 16:02:15
i've seen this guy in a lot of debates but he never actually takes part of 'em, he never starts nor answers. that's what i've seen but i could be wrong
Posted 2017-05-18 14:54:08
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