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By Lebowski | Mar 1 2019 5:36 PM
I was wondering is there really a god out there.
By KickTheCan | Mar 16 2019 12:32 PM
Who knows? Judging by the number of orgainsed religions over the centuries in various countries, seemingly there exists a belief that there is. Perhaps Man feels an intangible presence that connects to something outside of our material world. Goodness knows at what point in our evolutionary history we took a spiritual path into something outside of ourselves, but it would seem that we had an idea of good and evil, right and wrong, and seemingly wanted to justify and box that into a construct, or it could have been for Man a period of some kind of enlightenment that felt real in the sense of a new experience not of our earthly state. Anyway, in our more recent religious history, around the time BC and AD, there was a need to contract societal laws and it was religion Man turned to in order to enable some form of constructive living. And we had Bibles, Koran, Tora etc. Various books that laid down the Word of God in it's various forms which enforced the idea of punishments if we dared to challenge any existence of a God. And so we remain it would seem in that place today along with all the rituals and superstitions that Man created to worship through various religious constructs. If there is a God out there, I would expect it is nothing like we imagine but there is nothing better than blaming a God for things that go wrong when it is ourselves that create our own malaise and problems. Take God out of that mix and that leaves us hanging in the winds of having to take personal responsibilities for various and how awful would that be?
By JKing | Mar 20 2019 12:38 PM
Yes, there is a God. Years ago, I went through a period of research, because I didn't believe that everything happened by accident. But, on the other hand, if God did exist, he would deserve more than just casual acknowledgement. If I was going to invest that kind of time/energy, I wanted to KNOW that it was real. I agree with KickTheCan on the natural desire to "worship", and the desire to acknowledge something outside one's self. Where I disagree, (I'm sure there is more, but to focus on the comment above) is that a "lack of God" encourages accountability. If we are only blind chance, why would accountability matter? IF there is a God, that WOULD hold us accountable. I would love to debate this topic at some point soon.
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By Greatest I am | Mar 31 2019 5:19 PM
JKing: If there is a supernatural god who will hold us accountable and he does not show the standards he is looking for, then he is an immoral God and I would reject his judgements out of hand.

If the great teacher, god, does not teach us and fails the class, it is because he is incompetent.


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By Greatest I am | Mar 31 2019 5:22 PM
Lebowski: I take it you mean a supernatural god.
I, like all Gnostic Christians, hold no supernatural beliefs.

If you are talking about a man god or a god describes as the best rules and laws to live by, then there are many.

Have a look at the intelligence of the ancients.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.



Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.