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crossedcrossed (PRO)

this is the definition of intelligence. I'm i going to show you how animals are created intelligently

this is the definition of intelligence

The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

‘an eminent man of great intelligence’


so being intelligent means you can apply knowledge so

how does god apply's knowledge when creating animals

lets start with an easy one to understand the night owl and night vision this how it shows intelligence by apply knowledge

the creator would have had to have knowledge that the owl would live at night and would have trouble seeing so he applied that knowledge to the owl and gave the owl night vision so that it can see.


the creator would have to  knowledge that it is dark outside and the owl would have trouble seeing. so to fix this he designed the owl with night vision.

Night vision of the owl by mataleonerj on deviantart

the creator must have had knowledge that dogs would be hot in the summer and less fur would help cool it down so  when creating the dog  he  applied this knowledge and gave the dog the ability to shed its fur to cool down during the summer so that it can cool down.
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me using intelligence compared to the creator. intelligence =knowledge

i take off my jacket  off during the summer because i have intelligence and since i have intelligence i am aware that it is hot and taking it off would make it easier to cool down.

the creator gave the dog the ability to shed its fur during the summer because the creator had intelligence and was aware that the summer is hot and less fur would help the creature cool down.

car vs human

brain vs engine
the car has a  engine which is made from hundreds of different parts.

a human has a brain it is made up of millions of different parts

we all know that the engine is created by an intelligent being aka a human.

so why is this considered intelligently designed and not a brain. the brain is a million times more advanced then a car engine but many scientist say that the brain either just appeared out of nowhere or a bunch of chemicals created the brain.

by this logic a bunch of chemicals created the car engine why not this theory is a million times more logical than a brain coming from a bunch of chemicals let alone the universe

god created the human brain

man created the car engine

Parts of a car engine - eee community

you need knowledge in order to create these things and knowledge is only held by intelligent beings

a flood could not create the brain because it does not have the knowledge that the brain would need a way to hold itself up and in place thus a flood could not create the brain stem.

a bunch of chemicals could not have created the brain because it does not have the knowledge that some information might need to be stored somewhere because it might be important. thus could not have created the memory system.

an explosion could not have created the brain because it does not have the knowledge that humans might end up in bad situations and then design 2 distinct reactions for that situation that would help that person. thus chemicals could not have created the fight or flight response

i saw you post about how there are so many religions in the world.

most of these religions are created by demons just look at how many religions are created by the angle Gabriel. I'm saying that a demon must have been pretending to be angle Gabriel


some are probably made by man to control the populations.

but probably most of them are just demons who set themselves up as gods. probably getting off by being called god and getting worshiped

thing that the bible says that can be backed up today

eating right
in   the bible the kid who brother sold to Egypt the female who lied and  got him imprisoned wanted him because he ate right back in the day when  chemicals were not in food

with Joseph in charge, he did not concern himself with anything except the food he ate. Now Joseph was well-built and handsome,
7 and after a while his master’s wife took notice of Joseph and said, “Come to bed with me!”

in genesis in 39

Satan makes people rich than haunts them

you   know on how almost all the haunted houses are big mansions. why is it   always rich people and not poor people i believe that this is because   these houses once belonged to people who had sold there souls to Satan   in exchange for wealth

god predicted the the earth floats in space  years before anyone had been to space. back in the day when everyone  believed the earth was flat job:28 "He spreads out the northern skies  over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.

" https://biblehub.com/job/26-7.htm

being depressed can kill you
we all know how being unhappy can kill you early. and how stress can have a huge negative effect on your health
bible got it right first

A cheerful heart is good medicine,
but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.
when you are depressed and not happy you die fasterhttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+17:22

wine was discovered to be bad for pregnancy in the 1970s. but god angel said not to drink wine during the bc era

the bible quote with no wine while pregnant

"The   angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are barren and   childless, but you are going to become pregnant and give birth to a  son. 4 Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink  and that you do not eat anything unclean"

"Then   the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me.   He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he  came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. 7 But he said to me, ‘You   will become pregnant and have a son. Now then, drink no wine or other   fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will  be a Nazirite of God from the womb "

alright so when the angel  told samson mother that she was going to be pregnant with him. she said  do not drink any wine or strong drinks it was the 1970s when we found  out that that drinking while pregnant was bad

article says
"It wasn’t until the 1970s that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome was defined and
 fully recognized. Work to educate pregnant women of the dangers of
 alcohol in pregnancy"
plus i found this article that talks about how we prescribed wine to as medicine to pregnant females in the 50s


alcohol as medicine to treat morning sickness

"Alcohol was often medicine
  – whisky for colds or laryngitis, hot brandy punch for cholera,
 rum-soaked cherries for a cold. Doctors prescribed champagne as a
 treatment for morning sickness. Pregnant women in labor would take a
 shot or two of liquor to ease their discomfort. Wine was often
 recommended during pregnancy to help pregnant women relax.


fasting and health benefits
and there health benefits to fasting. should not starving yourself hurt you not heal you ?????? unless god designed it


Isaiah said Israel would be reborn in one day

Who   hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be   made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for   as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Israel was declared a nation in 1948 in one day thanks to USA

Isaiah prophesied that Egypt would never again rule over other nation which has been completely true
 and that trees would grow again in Jerusalem

here are ten prophesies that have come true this includes the Egypt one and the trees

 in the book of Isaiah he starts talking about liberals
he says this

the vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 

For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.


The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor* with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. 

But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech. 

Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come

Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.

he is basically saying a liberal is a vile person. but right after he is done condemning liberals god makes a statement that   says i will protect woman. why would he say this right after condemning liberals

we all know that liberals pretend to be for woman rights just look at the new ghost busters movie

if you want to look at a fraud liberal feminist just look at Anita Sarkeesian

so god is basically saying woman do not go to these evil liberals for aid come to me instead.

oils and healing
god follower said

james 5:13-15, which says all you need for any illness is a bit of prayer and oil

frankincense oil does

frankincense oil can help with autism but so do 9 other oils


promoting memory.

Stimulates Urination

Acts as Tonic

Anticancer Properties

Promotes Digestion

Reduces Scars

Prevents Gas Buildup

Boosts Immune System

improving skin health,https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/essential-oils/health-benefits-of-frankincense-essential-oil.html

chamomile oil does

Relieve anxiety.
Treat depression
Relieve nerve pain and fatigue.
Eliminate internal parasites
Improve digestion
Treat insomnia
Easing menopause
Detoxify the body
Treat the skin
Heal woundshttps://www.offthegridnews.com/alternative-health/10-miraculous-healing-uses-for-chamomile-oil/
juniper oil does

Promotes Sweating


bergomot oil does

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coriander oil does

Treats Spasms

Increases Libido

Weight Loss

Eliminates Gas

Health benefits of coriander essential oil - infographichttps://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/essential-oils/health-benefits-of-coriander-essential-oil.html

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peppermint oil does


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2019-03-21 04:30:24
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KickTheCanKickTheCan (CON)
I think perhaps we may have to think about breaking up the debate into sections for discussion as you have posted a number of interesting topics to consider so I am thinking of looking at one or two intially rather than try to cover quite a range all at one and the same time.

Perhaps we could look at the topic of Intelligence which you bring into the debate to start.  And your intial beliefs and understanding of a God's part in Creation theory as opposed to Evolutionary theory.

I concur that animals, birds, fishes and insects even along with Man has intelligence, but what all of the living Kingdom does not have is Intellect.  Only Man has intellectual ability and this is what sets him apart from the rest of the Kingdom.  Somewhere in our evolutionary history, Man grew another brain bud which allowed him to gather experiences, knowledge and intelligence and create.  And what he created was language, art, mathematical equations and medicines, along with an understanding of the human body and how to deploy the Kingdom and all it contained to better assist Man and his survival and comfort.  Somewhere in the holy books is the mention of Man inheriting and conquering the Earth and he did this because he acquired intellectual ability which you may argue was God given, but I would argue that this is possibly just evolutionary progression.

And this brings me to a second section of some of what you post when looking at evolution versus creation.  From the first bacteria grew the fishes in our vast seas over many hundreds, thousands of years.  It takes that long just to evolve into another life form no matter how crude it would have been in the beginning.  This would be how life would form embryonically on any planet given the right environment.  Bacteria begins a process which forms cells, and those cells morph and change until a crude DNA structure forms a mass and multiplies and creates a life form that could survive in that particular environment.  Out of the darkness of these very early life forms some cells morphed and became eyes, then ears, then ways of navigating within their environment. To cut a long story over millions and millions of untold years, the very first fish acquired the ability to climb out of the seas and so began another process, and what we understand from this is how the Kingdom evolved into the vast complexities of life by evolving feet and wings.  Our ancestors were originally those fishes, which began the process of creating various life forms custom built to suit a given environment and a part of that life form was the Ape, eventually.  So Man is part fish and eventually part Animal.  And this is a very difficult concept for some to accept.

Perhaps a God is involved in a part of this story.  And perhaps there is some mysterious force which works alongside evolution.  Whereas evolution is a natural progression to life and existence, the concept does not require a God on the face of it but perhaps there is something in the Intellect concept that could be accepted, IMO, as to Where does Inspiration emanate from to compliment Intellect? if we look at a God who is made of pure energy and is therefore a part of us as we are of Him, then that energy may contain knowledge and levels of knowledge are dimensions of natural progressive learning.  As we !earn more, then more knowledge dimensions are revealed to us.  "In God's house there are many mansions".  Which could be translated as dimensions of knowledge out of pure energy which could be God and his house.??

So be interesting to hear your views on this.

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2019-03-21 11:33:34
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KickTheCan: I am unsure as a newbie what this section is to cover. Can admin explain how this works. Thanks.
crossed: this is a discussion it would be placed at the bottom of the round
crossed: rabbits fur turns white during the winter and brown during summer this does not happen over millions of years. but season to season. so tell me this how would the creator of the rabbit be aware and know that white fur would be better for winter so that they can hide in the snow then act upon it and design the creature to change it fur during the winter to white. and be aware that brown fur would be better for treestumps and rabbit holes during the summer.
crossed: kixkthecan were suppose to interact with each other
KickTheCan: ok, rabbits. Evolution has a very precise genetic structure which helps, not just animals, but Man also, to survive whatever environment one finds themselves in. Nothing magical or mysterious about that. Our bodies change to protect us in varying forms and our chemical makeups work alongside our cells to enact changes as the environment dictates. What has happened over untold numbers of years is the unfolding of our genetic structures in order to accommodate chemical transformations needed to leap into the moment to protect any living matter eg. the Chameleon.
KickTheCan: apologies for delay. holiday weekend here in Cyprus and have visitors.
crossed: rabbits are white during the winter and brown during the summer this does not happen over millions of years but season to season. the hammer is made to hammer in the nail. so the hammer is made by man to complement the nail. so by this logic the rabbits furr turning white is made by god so that it can hide better in the snow. so god made the white fur rabbit complement the snow
crossed: rabbit are white during the winter and brown during the summer this does not happen over millions of years but season to season. the hammer is made to hammer in the nail. so the hammer was made to compliment the nail. this is done by man. so by this logic the rabbits white fur is made so the rabbit can hide better in the winter snow. so the white fur is made to complement the winter snow. this is done by god. what makes the hammer intelegently created and not the rabbit.
crossed: don't be sorry for the delay. real life takes priorities over these things.
crossed: i should probly give you a simpler example. we have trouble see at night so a bunch of bussiness people invented night vision goggles so people can see better during the night. we know the night vision goggles are intelegently created because bussiness people knew that people had trouble seeing in the dark so they invented night vision googles to sell to people. god knew that the owls would have trouble seeing at night so he created the owl with night vision. this is proof that the owl was intelegently created because the creator knew it was dark out and gave the owl night vision.

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crossedcrossed (PRO)
con is figuring out this site so instead of making new points i am going to explain my intelligently design argument in a new way that has not been used on this site and a quick. rebuttal

new explanation

definition of intelligence

  • n.
    The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
  • n.
    The faculty of thought and reason.
  • n.
    Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.

what do all these examples have in common

the creator must have had knowledge that the dog would be hot during the summer so he applied this knowledge and made it so the creature to shed its fur during the summer.

smart humans have knowledge that building a house on a beach is not smart because of flooding so they applied this knowledge and build a house away from the water.

humans in fire country have knowledge that wood houses are flammable so they applied this knowledge and made there houses out of metals

the creator of the rabbit must have had knowledge  that white fur makes it easier to hide in the snow so he designed the  rabbits fur to change from brown to white during the winter time and  brown during the summer time.

the  creator of the mountain goat gave the goat special feet that make it  easier to mountain climb..because he knew it would need them because  they live in the mountains

the creator of the car gave the car round wheels because he had knowledge that square wheels do not roll.

the creator of the predators gave these animals big sharp teeth because it needs to kill others.

the murder made his knife sharp because he needs it to kill others

the butter knife is dull because the creator of the butter knife knew it would not need to cut threw anything thick

the  creator of herbivores gave them dull teeth because the creator knew  that they did not need them to eat flesh so he made it dull.

all  these examples are example of things that are intelligently created.  some by man and some by god. god is real thus hell is real repent.




con has gone in depth explaining evolution. but evolution is impossible.

the people who created the movie genesis is history make a good point

dna has a a repairing system that helps prevent mutations

so it would be impossible for animals or humans to change over time like Charles Darwin described

a monkey turning into a human is like saying a turtle turning into a humanoid turtle that talks and knows kungfu

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2019-03-30 14:17:02
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KicktheCan the cross examination ends and begins every round.

the posting disappears on our side if it is my turn to post.

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Posted 2019-03-30 14:19:55
Seems this is still the only place I can add a comment but no comment box on the debate thread. Only the concede debate box??
Posted 2019-03-30 08:37:06
Looks like the comment access has disappeared on the debate. Cannot find where to add a comment to Crossed or in the CE section?? Anyone know?
Posted 2019-03-29 08:52:28
Ok, thanks nzlockie.
Posted 2019-03-29 08:44:58
KicktheCan, the CX round is for you guys to engage with eachother directly. Normally you only get to address the judges, so here you get to question each other on small points that need clarification.
It's always good to use it to try to score a few points, but some judges don't read the CX rounds unless you direct them to during your normal round, so if you make a good point, be sure to repeat it in round.
Posted 2019-03-28 23:55:08
Something funny going on here. @Admin - shouldn't the CX round happen after BOTH sides have made their round?
Posted 2019-03-28 23:52:06
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