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The Word of God are the only basis of Human Existence.

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olive 2olive 2 (PRO)
Before I begin, I would like to remind the Con, that when I speak  about the existence of Human Beings I will make it sure that it came from the Word of God in the Bible ( any translations that valid ). Back up by other information that rooted from the Word of God.

When I speak about the Human Existence, what I mean is the overall information about it. From when  and how it begin up to the very least facts that a Word of God can provide with us with all KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING. We as a human being, created by our Creator are his Masterpiece according to Genesis 1:26 and become ruler of all creation. No such information from other readable books or medium that says "we human are the only one that made after his likeness and Image" except from the information that come from the Word of God that is written in the Bible. And that is true, if we just let our conscience speak it will says that everything about our existence rooted from his Word and He made known that to us, according to Romans 1;20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen , being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:". See, even the whole creation speaks in behalf of God, and those words is inspired by his Word. Take a look at this verse in Psalms 19:1-3 (this fact is rooted from the word of God ) " 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork .
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard" 
What I am trying to point here is that if the created Heavens declare the Glory of God and other creation as well, We as a created being also automatically do the same thing. We owe debt of gratitude in result from our Creator. So the only basis, to answer such query such as, "Who Created Humans?, What is his Name?, What is the purpose of our Existence?"How are we going to live, what is the basis in life?" is only the Word of God. We are bound to Discover it. Let me begin.

The Good things about the Word of God when it speaks about our very Existence is fully understand when he say that we are made after his likeness and after his image. Well, that is true and we understand that because the Word say in verse 29 of the Book of Ecclesiastes  ",Lo,  this only have I found , that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions". From the very beginning of our existence, He made human upright and yea not until it get corrupted. Meaning, if we are going to study our whole structures, you will say that Word in Ecclesiastes is true. Human existence is tend to do good, intended to be better and foreign objects that is not belong to our structure must be removed, just like when we are sneeze and sweat. But the point is as time goes by the human make an error to themselves. In order for us  ( now I am stating about how to live well ) to go back from the very intentions of our Existence is base back to the Word. So the only thing to get started is the Word of God. No such Laws and Commandment except for God's Law that make us Good and Better in general. I am very sure that if anyone says how to live a good life, I know it rooted from the Word of God in the Bible. Because the Beginning is the Word, then all must back from the origin. Not New but of Old. Because New is not from the Word of God but by Men and from all the Enemy of God. Not that came up from 15th century doctrine. Not that one that came up from the understanding of mere Men that say they are of God. The Word is the founder of how it all began even our existence. No more no less it is only the Word.

The Word tells us about so many things. Con are you disagree with this?
1. There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
2. All this have I seen , and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.
3. Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out , yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.
4. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
5. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
6.  A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
7.  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
8.  A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
9. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
10. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And a lot more....

A bit of my conclusion to this argument, I am very sure everything that has to do with human existence must base from the Word of God.

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2015-02-19 16:42:47
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)
 Frankly, I don't understand much of Pro's argument or how it proves that "God's word is the only basis of human existence".
However, based on what I could understand, it is clear that his entire argument is based on two extremely large and completely unwarranted assumptions-- that God exists, and that the Bible represents his divine word.
I'll provide a couple of negative reasons for why we should actively reject those assumptions. 

Argument against God's existence

P1: God is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient 
P2: If it existed, an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient being would not allow gratuitous suffering to occur
C1: If he existed, God would not allow gratuitous suffering to occur
P3: Gratuitous suffering occurs
C2: God does not exist

Defense of Premise 1:

"God is Love" (1 John 4:8)
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26)
"God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything." (1 John 3:20)

The Bible itself supports this; thus, for Pro's case to remain consistent, he must concede this premise.

Defense of Premise 2:

This is quite obvious. As a being with infinite empathy for all creatures, he would not want them to suffer for no reason, and as a an omnipotent/omniscient being, he would be fully capable of stopping such suffering from occurring. So if any such being were to exist, it would not be logically possible for gratuitous suffering to exist.

Defense of Premise 3:

This is also fairly obvious. One needs to look no further than the rural parts of sub-Saharan Africa to see countless examples of children being born into this world only to live short, miserable, and ultimately futile lives full of hardship, finally starving to death before they can even reach adulthood. There is no plausible "greater good" that could possibly be coming from causing such suffering, and thus it must be gratuitous.  

Since all three premises have been affirmed, the conclusion is validated: God does not exist.

Argument against the Bible being God's Word

P1: If the Bible is God's word, then it must be flawless/inerrant
P2: The Bible is full of flaws and errors
C1: The Bible is not God's Word

Defense of Premise 1:

"The Lord’s word is flawless" (2 Samuel 22:31)
The Bible itself supports this; thus, for Pro's case to remain consistent, he must concede this premise.

Defense of Premise 2:

Here are a bunch of contradictions (i.e. flaws and errors) that have been found in the Bible... 

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

JER 13:14  I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

JAS 5:11  The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.

1JO 4:16  God is love.


Since both premises have been affirmed, the conclusion is validated:  the Bible is not God's word.


Burden of proof is on Pro to affirm the resolution, so all I have to do to negate the resolution is refute his arguments.
By debunking the two vital assumptions that his case rests upon, I have accomplished that. The resolution is negated.

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2015-02-26 12:27:49
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olive 2olive 2 (PRO)
  Con, thanks for the premises and conclusions that link the bridge to my point. However I am very sad, when I found out that your conclusions not to be believe that God exist and the Bible is not a Word of God are your confusions of so many things about verses in the Bible. So, I am obliged to affirmed the resolution since the burden was on me. First of all FYI, I don't believe that the Bible is not the Word of God, but rather say part of it. There are lots of WORDS in the said Books. Some words of Satan ( enemy of God ), some are the words of an Angel, plants, animals, heavens and different kind of Men. Therefore I conclude that you will found out a lot of Contradictions in it. That is one of my belief.
   And FYI Con, I don't believe that The God Abraham and Christians is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Some of this information will be readable in Forum titled " The God Of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I will tell you some knowledge from the Bible that HE cannot do, impossible, negatively can't. Try to read Titus 1:3 it say That " it is Impossible for God to lie ". And He cannot Deny or Disown Himself ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ), He cannot tempt everyone ( James 1:13 ), He cannot have pleasure in Evil. ( Psalm 5:4 )And a lot more, I have to reserved some.
Moreover, let me tell you that everything about Faith is not Assumptions. And the Word " Flawless " cannot be apply to the people that criticize the Bible, according to the context of 2 Samuel 22:31 " the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him. " Proof ? read Proverbs 8:8-9. However Daniel is right when he write that " none of the wicked shall understand " ( Daniel 12:10 ). 
   Now, for  your confusions about Mark, Mathew, and John epistles. Seems you are confuse with the characters, right? Don't be. Mathew and John didn't say " hey its only Mary Magdalene that go to the Tomb. " Basically the wisdom about it is to read all the letter for we be able to know the Whole truth and what had happened as a whole. They are all both TRUE. Moving forward to John 10:30 and 14:28. FYI Con with this verses, I do believe that God is greater than all, including Christ. So Lord Jesus is true when He say that the Father is greater than He. Don't be bewildered to the statement of " Me and my Father are One ". It doesn't necessarily mean that He ( Jesus ) is also the Father or like other say that they have both equal Power. No, that is absolutely wrong. It is very clear in the Bible that the Head of Christ is the Father, and the word ( gospel ) that Jesus utter is not from Him, but from the Father. There are powers that Jesus can't do but only His Father can. "One" means in the Bible has a very WIDE meaning Con. Like for example when Moses said " they are not two but ONE "  and Jesus said " for they will become ONE as we are ONE " Try to read John 17:19-23.
   Moving along with other verses confusions, I will affirmed the consolidated resolution of the Bible. To make this short. I will start to the very Word in the Bible that " God is Love ". No doubt about it. But we have to understand the perimeter of God's Love. He also have Hate in his Heart. He hate Evil. He is a Lawmaker, A fair and just  Judge, the owner of our Life, The Almighty God ( He knows what He's doing and He wants everything must under Control ). He allowed suffering in this world because, He use this in order for us to be persevere, according to Romans 5:3 and this is His one way to execute right judgement ( 2 Thessalonians 1:5 ), to the people he Loved and to others that he hate ( Wicked People that Choose to hate God and choose to be side with Satan ). But let None of us to Suffer as a Murderer, Thief, Evildoer etc ( 1Peter 4:15 ). Such thing God prerogative to execute right judgement. 
   Speaking of Evildoer. The " His Children " in Isaiah 14:26 are the SEED of the EVILDOERS FATHERS. God doesn't want those seed to be infected by the unforgivable SINS ( very wicked ) of the Evildoers Father. It is not GOOD for the Earth. That is why God execute Judgement even to the very least and that will be the Children, besides God prepared a good Place for them ( young children ) in the Kingdom, meaning they are save ( Matthew 19:14 ). He doesn't want this Children to become wicked  as they grow old. So He decided to take away the LIVES of the babes because He has the Power to Give Life and Has a Power to take it away. In a right time! The world is always under Control Con. Now the SEED want God to multiply is the Seed of Israel in Spirit, majority of them is Righteous, so the law for them is different ( Deuteronomy 24:16). Think about it Con? 
   God is Love- the meaning of this is JUSTICE, MERCY and Long suffering ( patience ). Everyone God gave chances in order to be saved. He uses a lot of resources to execute His will, even the actions of His enemy, Satan is unaware of that. 
   Well the continuation of some things about left premises, I will tackle that in the FORUM. Before I leave Con, I'd like to ask you which side of God are you with?

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2015-03-03 12:58:12
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)
Pro's responses are too long and incoherent for me to bother rebutting.
Nonetheless, it is clear that he has not made any attempt at justifying the existence of God. He has the burden of proof, so simply addressing my negative argument from last round is not sufficient. Without giving positive reasons to believe that God exists, his entire case falls, as it completely relies on that assumption. Resolution negated. 

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2015-03-07 13:45:58
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olive 2olive 2 (PRO)
So you are the Judge as well, Try first to make a rebuttal with my first defenses to your confusion. Your status of not answering my Defense sounds like you are avoiding something. This will be my last post. And hoping for you be able to open up your mind. Thanks for the round, Checkmate!
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2015-03-07 13:58:09
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)
Still no evidence for the existence of God.
If God doesn't even exist, there is no way his word can be the basis of human existence.
Vote Con.

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2015-03-10 09:51:50
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Comment on the judgement. It wasn't a very respectful way to approach an argument.
Posted 2015-03-18 07:06:22
Comment on the judgement. It wasn't a very respectful way to approach an argument.
Posted 2015-03-18 07:05:51
oops forgot that feature existed lol
Posted 2015-03-17 11:57:20
This would be a good time to use an at-tag @Sovi
Posted 2015-03-17 11:56:13
wtf Sovi... how was it terrible conduct? I was just observing that olive's writing style was incomprehensible >.>
Posted 2015-03-17 11:55:14
olive 2olive 2
In this argument, I think that Romanii ( Sikhism ) cannot put a dispute about my clarity of all of his confusions. And therefore his confusions is one way or another the Truthfulness of the Word of God in the Bible and disciplinary actions of God to those criticizing it. That make sense that God is Exist and his Word is true.
Posted 2015-03-10 12:05:56
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2015-03-16 09:03:43
BlackflagJudge: Blackflag
Win awarded to: olive 2
I'm giving one point to Olive 2, because Romanii handled this debate with terrible conduct. Give your opponent the time he is due.
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2015-03-20 15:44:02
TowerOfBabelJudge: TowerOfBabel
Win awarded to: Romanii
I struggled to understand PROS arguments from the get go thus the strength of his arguments were immediately degraded by lack of clarity. The resolution of the debate was to show that the word of God is the only basis for human existence. Obviously, PRO has the Burden of Proof as there are many other concievable bases of human existence. PRO never really affirms the resolution. While CON was rather blunt and dismissive of PROS arguments he was correct in that PRO made no meaningful strides to affirming the resolution or their burden of proof. Therefore, CON gets the win.
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