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Making debates in Edeb8.com is better then making debates in DDO.

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Silver CrowSilver Crow (PRO)

First I'd to thank con for accepting. Now I will start.

1. It has more features.
People on DDO have asked for team debates, a longer time to form arguments and and more rounds which Edeb8 has Edeb8 also has video debates.

2. It is more serious.
DDO is more noob friendly meaning it has numerous troll debates, vote bombs and other similar things but Edeb8 was meant to be serious as the creator said "Edeb8 is a serious debate site based largely on improving debate techniques. In practice trolls and VBers don't mesh well here and migrate to DDO quickly."

3. The voting system.
The voting system there is not perfect but is better than DDO's because there you cannot get your voting privileges revoked and it encourages people to make a very detailed RFD.


Return To Top | Posted:
2015-04-13 21:46:22
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)
Thanks, Pro.

Argument

I really have only one argument in favor of debating on DDO: it has a far greater number of highly-skilled debaters who are regularly active on the site. 
Off the top of my head, Edeb8 only has Admin, Nzlockie, Jifpop, Rebeka, myself, and.... umm... yeah.
Meanwhile, DDO has Bluesteel, Raisor, Whiteflame, RoyLatham, Thett3, Bsh1, YYW, 16kadams, F16_Fighting_Falcon, Subutai, TN05, Mikal, Wylted, Debatability, Zmikecuber, Popculturepooka, Bossyburrito, Dylancatlow, Phantom, Lannan13, xXCryptoXx, FourTrouble, Donald.Keller, Kasmic, MyDinosaurHands, Bladerunner, Airmax, 1Historygenius, Imabench, Cermank, Blade-of-Truth, 18Karl, Mhykiel, Skepsykima, Khaos_Mage, Varrack, Zarroette, ResponsiblyIrresponsible, and many, many, many more. 
This is important because debating is an inherently interpersonal activity-- it involves *people*. More people means more potential opponents, which translates to more unique viewpoints and fresh perspectives-- this inevitably breeds more diverse/interesting debates and greater intellectual edification. Thus, a large active userbase of competent debaters is an absolutely essential aspect of any online debating community. Since DDO overwhelmingly  trumps Edeb8 in that key criterion, this argument alone negates the resolution.

Rebuttals

1. With the exception of longer argument times, none of the features which Pro has listed are unique to Edeb8. People use alternative methods to do team and video debates all the time on DDO, even if there aren't official features for those functions available. So ultimately this argument carries very little weight; simply having longer time limits obviously does not automatically make it the superior debating platform.

2. Pro provides absolutely no evidence for this point aside from the words of Edeb8's creator, who is obviously biased in Edeb8's favor. What Pro has done here is no better than citing a one of a company's TV advertisements as evidence that it is a better company than its competitors. Dismiss this contention because it is practically unsubstantiated. 

3. Pro seems to be trying to negate the resolution for me with this point! If people cannot have their voting privileges revoked, then it is far easier for vote-bombers to unfairly award points to the side they are personally inclined towards. It is true that their RFD-less votes are weighed less than votes with RFDs, but in close debates, just one point can make all the difference in who wins. On DDO, the new vote moderator, bluesteel, hunts down objectively bad votes and deletes them, even going as far as to temporarily remove the voting privileges of repeat offenders; this ensures that all votes on DDO are at least somewhat decent, and that bad votes get no weight whatsoever. In other words, Pro has demonstrated for me that voting on DDO is better than it is on Edeb8, and since vote quality is an integral part of the debating experience, this is a major plus-point in favor of DDO debating. 

Conclusion

None of Pro's arguments really show that Edeb8 is the superior debating platform, with some of them even proving the exact opposite to be true. Meanwhile, my argument regarding DDO's more active userbase is plenty to show that it is better to make debates on DDO. The resolution is negated.

Addendum

Writing this argument made me start missing DDO :(

Return To Top | Posted:
2015-04-15 15:46:53
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Silver CrowSilver Crow (PRO)

Arguments :

1. Edeb8 doesn't count rule making as part of the debate so people don't have to waste a round.

2. DDO is bias.
The user Imabench has been banned on multiple occasions but only for a short period of time but what he does usually gets other users permanently banned.
Also when famous users like Lanman get's harassed people automatically take their side like when Lanman accused Spertre of harassing him his computer got hacked.

3. Edeb8's system is better than DDO's because 1. It makes the users happy. At DDO they had several occasions where people got pissed off for having their votes removed. And 2. Encourages a better RFD. By creating a longer RFD the points you have are quadrupled. And 3. It doesn't force people to make three dumb debate. In lots of instances a new user will make three dumb debates just to be able to vote.

Rebuttals :
1. Yes DDO currently has more experienced debaters but that is not because of the site it is because of the time DDO was there. Also with many good debaters come with many trolls for a example in this site I don't know much trolls but on DDO there's Heil,Imabench,2001bhu,RXR and lots of noobs.


2. It is much easier to have that features ready for use. For example which video game is better GTA V or GTA Vice City with lots of DLC? Most would say GTA V.


3. If you want evidence just look how many accounts heil has made its over 15 and Bubbatheclown continuously makes new accounts though he has already been banned.

4. This merely proves that this site does not tolerate trolls.


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2015-04-15 16:59:22
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)

Thanks again.

I'll be re-structuring my case in order to account for Pro's somewhat off-kilter organization and new arguments.


Rebuttals


1. Pro does not explain why having people "waste" a round for acceptance is necessarily a bad thing. The overwhelming consensus on DDO is that four rounds of actual debate are more than enough for any issue (most users actually prefer limiting it to 3) -- its enough to provide a constructive case, rebut the opponent's case, defend one's own constructive, and then crystallize. 5-round debates just tend to become highly repetitive. My opponent has failed to demonstrate that DDO debaters using a round for rules and acceptance is negative.


2. Pro has again contradicted his own position by demonstrating that DDO's voting system is far superior. It doesn't matter that some bad voters on DDO get mad at the voting moderator-- that is just a demonstration of their inability to accept their own mistakes. As I said last round, a single point can make all the difference, so giving bad votes *any* weight at all is a bad thing; it is much better at DDO, where bad votes are deleted and thus given no weight at all. As for the 3-debate voting requirement, it is a necessary precaution against people making multi-accounts and voting on their own debates-- a problem which would be a lot worse without the presence of that precaution. 

 

3. At best, Pro only shows that having the features specially built into the site is only slightly more convenient, which contributes almost nothing to fulfilling Pro's burden of proof. All that you have to do to do a live debate on DDO is record it on Google Hangouts and then post the link to the Youtube video in a debate. All you have to do to do a team debate is make a new account for each respective team and then debate via those two accounts. It really isn't that much harder to do without the official features. 


4. I'm not sure what Pro's points about elitism or multi-accounts on DDO have anything to do with this resolution. We are debating whether or not the *debating* aspect of DDO is better than that of Edeb8; we aren't discussing general moderation of the sites. Ignore these point because they are irrelevant. 


Counter-Rebuttal


a. Pro's point about DDO having been around longer is irrelevant because the fact remains that, as things currently stand, DDO *does* have an overwhelmingly larger and more active userbase of high-quality members. But anyways, we can account for the sites' respective ages and still come to the same conclusion. Let's estimate that the active userbase of DDO is 200 debaters (which is probably low-balling it). Meanwhile, Pro has not contested that Edeb8 has at most 10 active debaters.  Now observe that DDO has been around for about 7 years, while Edeb8 has been around for about 1.5. With that in mind, we can do some math; 200/7 is about 28, whereas 10/1.5 is about 7. So even accounting for age (and assuming that all debaters who join edeb8 henceforth will permanently stick around-- which is exceedingly unlikely), DDO attracts 4 times more active members than Edeb8 does.


b. My argument was that DDO generates more interesting and frequent high-quality debates than Edeb8 does by virtue of its large userbase. The fact that there are more trolls and noobs on DDO is irrelevant. Such users can certainly be annoying, but they do not hinder the more productive members from continuing to engage in their debates as always. As long as voting moderators continue deleting bad votes, trolls and noobs can do nothing to affect DDO's superiority as a debating platform.


Conclusion


All together, Pro's arguments amount to a tiny drop into the bucket of his BoP. One of his arguments even turns in my favor, as it demonstrates that voting on DDO is superior (thus making debating on DDO a more rewarding experience, since the wins are more likely to be legitimate). Meanwhile, my argument regarding DDO's more active membership remains standing. Res. negated!


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2015-04-16 16:42:35
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Silver CrowSilver Crow (PRO)

As I've said before I'm sorry for making an incomplete argument but I've got time constraints so yeah.

Rebuttuals:

1. I thought it was obvious why more rounds are better but I was wrong, so I will explain. 1. More rounds equal to more arguments which is a good thing for more controversial topics. 2. Giving people a choice of an extra round is not bad. If people want a 4 round debate they may choose so but others may want a 5 round one so they should have the option. 3. If it is repetitive then the debaters should have made it a four round debate.

2. How have I contradicted myself? If a site is good then I should be properly taught to vote and should receive proper warnings not just having to complete three debates. Why ovoid a problem if you can prevent it? Here's an example of why the DDO guidelines are confusing.

2) Failing to explain *why* you awarded a point


The meaning of the word why is


[hwahy, wahy]

adverb

1.

for what? for what reason, cause, or purpose?:
http://dictionary.reference.com...

So meaning any reason should be valid but Bluesteel removes your votes anyway.


3. You stated before that " This is important because debating is an inherently interpersonal activity-- it involves *people*. so why can you not understand that bad people are also people and make up part of the community? Also I pointed out that that were bias which is also a voting bias. Evidence for this is when I put a "bad vote" it toke Bluesteel about twenty minutes to detect it but when a popular debater makes a vote that literary said "Because fvck pro." I had to personally report it to Airmax after one whole day.


4. This is a bad calculation based on personal views and is entirely wrong. For starters DDO attracts user more now because their friends told them about DDO so logically it should be calculated like this. If DDO had 10 active users in its first 1.5 years and Edeb8 had 8 then DDO wins but if it toke DDO the whole 1.5 years to get those members while it only toke a week for Edeb8 to get theirs then Edeb8 is better.

5. Do you know what your talking about? Like at all? Good debaters have gone suicidal because of harassment. I have personally had that feeling that is why I am now a Edeb8 user. I do not to name the users so please don't ask .

6. People noticed as you can see here.

http://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/topic/66934/

http://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/topic/66923/


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2015-04-20 02:39:15
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RomaniiRomanii (CON)

Thank you for your argument...

To start off, I am thoroughly perplexed by Pro's organization of his case; he has dropped several of his original arguments and changed up the numbering quite a bit, so I'm just going to respond to his 6 points in the order that he made them.


1. More rounds does *not* mean more arguments; in almost all debates, the main arguments are put forth during the first and second rounds (opening arguments and rebuttals). It doesn't matter that some people would prefer having 5 rounds to argue; some people might prefer having 6 rounds, 7 rounds, or 35 rounds to argue -- just because a small minority of people want something doesn't mean that it is a good thing. I have explained why 4 rounds of debate is *plenty* to fit everything that needs to be said, and why having more rounds than that is generally harmful to the debate's quality. There are many features which the users of DDO have expressed a great amount of interest in implementing, but more rounds has never been one of them. Ultimately, Pro has failed to demonstrate that Edeb8's additional debate features give it a significant advantage over DDO.


2. Pro asks how he has contradicted himself; as I have already stated, it's because he is demonstrating why DDO's voting is better than Edeb8's -- the moderators remove all bad votes on DDO, whereas on Edeb8, bad votes are still given some weight (even if it is minimal). Pro says that bluesteel has removed votes that did have adequate reasoning, but he fails to actually provide a specific example of where this has happened; he has just displayed one of the deletion-justifications bluesteel wrote without any context whatsoever. Thus, my turn on Pro's argument remains standing -- DDO's voting is on balance better than Edeb8's, and since the legitimacy of wins is an integral part of the debating experience, this is a major point in DDO's favor.


3. Last round, I explained at length why bad users cannot really do anything to harm the debating aspect of DDO; all they can pollute the forums with their nonsense. And since this debate is only about the *debating* aspects of the sites, the forums are irrelevant. My argument remains standing -- DDO has many, many more high quality members than Edeb8, and that alone makes it a better place to debate due to the interpersonal nature of debating. As for Pro's random claim about moderator bias, he is going to need to provide some evidence of that, or it is nothing more than libel.


4. Pro dismisses my calculation for no reason and then proposes an alternative calculation with no demonstration of how he got his numbers and a nonsensical explanation of the calculation itself. I understand that Pro was under time constraints while writing his argument, but that does not excuse him from the burden of having to provide at least somewhat coherent rebuttals... Also, I might as well take this opportunity to point out that by the
time DDO was 1.5 years old, it already had *at least* 27 active,
high-quality members, which easily turns out to be 3 times Edeb8's population [www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/44375]. Thus, my argument remains standing; any way you look at it, DDO has a larger userbase of actively contributing members.


5. Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. It is unfortunate that Pro felt the need to make this personal. Isolated instances of cyber-bullying on DDO have *nothing* to do with the debating aspect of DDO. They only relate to the site's social aspect. Pro's argument remains irrelevant, and should be appropriately dismissed.


6. Pro posts some links of forum topics in which DDO users requested increased debate argument time limits. I fail to see what his point is...


Conclusion


I have two major benefits in my favor: DDO's superior userbase and voting standards. Meanwhile, Pro has the comparatively miniscule benefit of a couple minor features which make debating on Edeb8 slightly more convenient. My benefits easily outweigh.

The resolution is negated!


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2015-04-20 14:13:59
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RomaniiRomanii
Practice, friend. Practice.
Posted 2015-04-20 14:42:45
Silver CrowSilver Crow
I have dropped some points due to again time constraints. How did you make an argument so fast?
Posted 2015-04-20 14:22:12
RomaniiRomanii
hahaha thanks, admin :P

@ButterCatx
Posted 2015-04-20 13:16:08
adminadmin
Haha, apologies!
Posted 2015-04-20 12:32:13
BlackflagBlackflag
No, but it made me regret favoring this debate.
Posted 2015-04-20 06:52:55
adminadmin
... Sovi, that's not a cryptic bug report is it?
Posted 2015-04-19 17:29:25
BlackflagBlackflag
My notifications are overflowing
Posted 2015-04-19 16:05:02
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Admin
Posted 2015-04-19 15:52:21
adminadmin
AH HA! Worked it out!

Everything should be fine now. I'd basically forgotten that Windows adds random carriage returns to new lines on text fields like its the 80s or something haha.
Posted 2015-04-19 15:45:15
adminadmin
@Romanii
Test again
Posted 2015-04-19 15:44:02
adminadmin
@Romanii

... call for increasingly desperate code haha. This is one of the greatest mysteries I've seen on edeb8.
Posted 2015-04-19 15:41:08
adminadmin
@Romanii
Desperate times...
Posted 2015-04-19 15:38:35
adminadmin
@Romanii
And for this one
Posted 2015-04-19 15:36:01
adminadmin
@Romanii

OK... I have high hopes for this test...
Posted 2015-04-19 15:33:11
adminadmin
@Romanii
another test, ignore me...
Posted 2015-04-19 15:12:44
adminadmin
@Romanii
Come on...
Posted 2015-04-19 15:11:39
adminadmin
@Romanii
Come on...
Posted 2015-04-19 15:09:50
adminadmin
@Romanii
Come on stupid code, work!
Posted 2015-04-19 15:08:14
Silver CrowSilver Crow
I may be able to give a good argument due to work overtime but I will try yo give one.
Posted 2015-04-19 15:04:19
adminadmin
@Romanii

Another test... (sorry to make you guys put up with this)
Posted 2015-04-19 15:04:10
adminadmin
OK, clearly not, problem discovered :)
Posted 2015-04-19 15:01:40
adminadmin
@Romanii


Is it working now? This comment doubles as a test.
Posted 2015-04-19 15:00:40
RomaniiRomanii
Yes, we can stop here.
Posted 2015-04-19 13:18:21
adminadmin
Also, I'm not sure why your tags to @ButterCatx aren't working... I'll look into that
Posted 2015-04-19 13:16:18
adminadmin
Can we stop this argument here please?
Posted 2015-04-19 13:15:17
RomaniiRomanii
why aren't any of my tags to Buttercat working?
Posted 2015-04-19 13:14:59
RomaniiRomanii
@ButterCatx

Well your doubts are ill-founded. Try it.
Posted 2015-04-19 13:14:32
ButterCatxButterCatx
Thank you @Sovi
Posted 2015-04-19 04:06:37
ButterCatxButterCatx
@Romanii I have placed moderate rfd's in the comments section of debates, which Airmax has agreed are good(proof that I have gone out of my way to get better) and bluesteel hates bhu, thus she hates me by association doubt she would give me any benefits.
Posted 2015-04-19 04:05:15
RomaniiRomanii
also...

Re: " I heard all kinds of stories to the contrary."

lol who did you hear these from? I find it funny that the only people who I've seen complain about bluesteel are those who have objectively bad votes and have no interest in improving...

@ButterCatx

If you are really interested in improving, then go back to DDO and ask bluesteel if he'll put you on his probation-period program.
I can assure you that if you actually improve, you'll get your voting privileges back.
Posted 2015-04-18 06:35:52
RomaniiRomanii
@Sovi

I'm not really sure why you don't want your DDO names revealed... but okay. I won't do it again in the future.

As for the judgment thing...

Re: "There is nothing professional about an internet subculture that encourages people to fight and work against each other because they have the expectation that their loss needs to be reasonably explained to them."

I agree. People should not fight over it. People who throw a huge fuss over votes against them are incredibly annoying (*cough* Zarroette). However, that isn't an argument against moderating votes-- that's an argument against debaters harassing voters, which I never disagreed with you on. Judging *should* be closely moderated because it makes it far more likely that wins -- which are essential to debate whether you like it or not -- are actually legitimate.

Re: "I think Romanii has the right to make that accusation as of yet."

Fine, that was uncalled for. However, I cannot and will not believe that bluesteel's removal of ButterCat's voting privileges was unjustified, and will continue to do so until I hear bluesteel's side of the story (which probably won't be for a while since I'm not returning to DDO for a while).
Posted 2015-04-18 06:31:51
BlackflagBlackflag
You lost me when you said, "it has nothing to do with the moderators disagreeing with your vote-- it is all about the moderators deeming that your vote lacks sufficient explanation."

First of all that is not true. When I started hearing about how DDO got a voting moderator, I heard all kinds of stories to the contrary. During my own time on Edeb8, I saw 100's of judgements get deleted not only because they did not make them detailed enough, but because a user cried to Airmax giving a list of reasons why a judgement sucks. My second issue with your statement is that I do not agree with your initial insinuation that judgements should be closely moderated to begin with. A judgement is a professional opinion on who won, and it should be treated with a degree of professionalism. There is nothing professional about an internet subculture that encourages people to fight and work against each other because they have the expectation that their loss needs to be reasonably explained to them. I never really thought the main problem was explanation either, considering most people are just causing a fuss to get a judgement deleted.

@ButterCatx - Bluesteel judges by BOP, so I am with you. I also have confidence that you want to get better at judging, nor do I think Romanii has the right to make that accusation as of yet. The DDO system did not make you a better judge according to him, so it is probably the systems fault and not your own. Who would want to be intentionally bad at something anyways?
Posted 2015-04-18 05:12:13
BlackflagBlackflag
Romanii, that really isn't your place to say, okay?
Posted 2015-04-18 04:57:33
RomaniiRomanii
@Silver Crow

His usernames were Jifpop09, Csareo, and ChosenWolff

@Sovi

Lol there were only a couple users who regularly write multi-part RFDs in comments. There's nothing wrong with expecting voters to fully explain their reasoning and consider all the major arguments made-- that can easily be done within 1000 characters.
And no you cannot get banned or harassed for voting badly; you can have your votes deleted, and if you make too many bad votes, you can have your voting privileges temporarily removed, but that is all. It has nothing to do with moderators disagreeing with your vote-- it is all about the moderators deeming that your vote lacks sufficient explanation.
The moderators DO try to help bad voters improve, by offering them a mechanism by which they can regain their voting privileges: voters write RFDs in comments until they have improved enough to be allowed to vote again. All the voting moderators are experienced judges themselves have stated that they are willing to give feedback to anyone willing to listen. ButterCatX clearly has decided that he doesn't want to try improving...

@ButterCatX

Haha are you expecting me to take your word for it?
I know bluesteel quite well; he is an eminently reasonable man who has a genuine interest in helping people get better at voting and debating.
Sorry, but I simply do not believe you. Especially when there have been several other cases I remember of blatantly incompetent voters lashing out at the moderators instead of trying to fix their own incompetency.
Posted 2015-04-18 04:16:32
adminadmin
Though to clarify, I would still encourage people to ask nicely for more feedback if they feel like they could use it. Otherwise if a judge is being rude/dismissive, well, that's what judge ratings are for.
Posted 2015-04-17 19:32:26
adminadmin
"Harassing people to make their judgements contain a certain amount of detail is something that would suck"
Totally agree there @Sovi
Posted 2015-04-17 19:31:14
BlackflagBlackflag
Yeah, we are in agreement. Detailed judgements are better than a judgement with no detail. Harassing people to make their judgements contain a certain amount of detail is something that would suck if it were to happen on this site. On DDO, I am pretty sure you can now get banned if their new voting moderator disagrees with your logic. Really?
Posted 2015-04-17 19:29:42
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Sovi What are your DDO account names?
Posted 2015-04-17 17:38:41
adminadmin
I personally strongly prefer the Australasian type debate culture. It's only showboating if the judge is just fluffing around as opposed to presenting relevant material that helps both sides improve - something that's actually an extremely tough skill. It's extremely hard to accredit as a judge here for that reason. I'm accredited for Australs but not to judge debates domestically haha.
Posted 2015-04-17 16:55:47
BlackflagBlackflag
It is cool when you get a detailed judgement, but I think it is unreasonable to have that as an expectation. I remember on DDO members would make 30 comment decisions. Showboating is what that is.
Posted 2015-04-17 16:26:26
adminadmin
Usually judges do give a whole speech explaining their decision in this part of the world, followed on by detailed feedback to both teams. This is particularly true for less experienced teams, and less true for 4-ways (due to time constraints). WUDC follows the "brief speech" model except in break rounds and silent rounds.

I believe it's different in America, where ballot papers are usually used with more brief explanations. Both models are ok I think.
Posted 2015-04-17 13:16:55
BlackflagBlackflag
@ButterCatx - We are in agreement. DDO likes to punish people for bad judging practices, and that causes several problems alone. It does not help people become better judges, it creates a culture where people believe they can win a debate by arguing judgements, which subsequently scares people off from judging.

DDO also needs to redefine their term for vote bomb (which should be judgement bomb), because a vote bomb is not whenever someone provides poor reasoning for their judgement., nor does that make the judgement overall poor. A great judgement can be explained in little depth, just as a poor judgement can be explained in great depth.

Correct me if I am wrong @admin, but in the public debates you have personally participated in, judges were not expected to give a whole speech explaining their decision.
Posted 2015-04-17 07:55:17
BlackflagBlackflag
I agree with @admin Judgements are rated. People who judge poorly will get a less than desirable rating, making their judgement have less worth in a way. It is also cool how any judgement not biased or a vote bomb can only be rated "good," because in reality, good is taking the time to write your opinion on who won
Posted 2015-04-17 07:47:05
ButterCatxButterCatx
@Romanii I can tell you bluesteel's point of view,ButterCatX sux at voting blah blah blah he's friends with bhu blah blah so I removed his voting privileges. Believe it or not the reasons that blusteel gave more were worse than those ones there.
Posted 2015-04-17 01:05:43
RomaniiRomanii
@Silver Crow hahahahahahahaha thanks, I guess.... XD

@ButterCatX I have neither the time nor the interest to try verifying if what you are saying is true. Stories where members feel that they've been wronged by DDO moderators often become a lot less favorable to the supposed victims when told from the moderators' point of view.
Posted 2015-04-17 00:59:54
ButterCatxButterCatx
@Romanii I never vote bombed, bhu did, but I did not. I placed a few poor votes when I was just starting out and did not understand how to properly place a vote, which is understandable as many noobs have done similar. I have been placing well made rfd's in the comments of debates to prove that I have become better. Also Bluesteel targeted me and many of bhu's friends just for being friends with him. So don't act like bluesteel is great and I am the devil. I have made mistakes in the past but I have been rectifying the mistakes, Bluesteel has been making more problems. I had to go to Airmax because of bluesteel's awful moderation, Bhu had to leave DDO because of it(I'm glad he came to Edeb8, admin is a great moderator). Bluesteel didn't even attempt to help us become better, just punish us.
Posted 2015-04-17 00:42:39
Silver CrowSilver Crow
*Are.
Posted 2015-04-16 17:34:55
Silver CrowSilver Crow
*or.
Posted 2015-04-16 17:34:07
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Romanii You are ether emo pr weird cause come on you one of the best here and you were also good at DDO. Seriously I knew I had to fight hard when I saw who accepted.
Posted 2015-04-16 17:33:25
RomaniiRomanii
@Silver Crow Idk, I think they are both very fair moderators. I actually wouldn't mind Larz taking over DDO from Juggle haha

You can find out why I de-activated if you look at the last forum post I made on that account... it had nothing to do with DDO being a bad site lol.
Posted 2015-04-16 16:39:12
adminadmin
CM Punk approves of your comment.
Posted 2015-04-16 16:22:32
Chuz LifeChuz Life
THAN DDO!

I can't not say something. . . https://youtu.be/VFEEa-jibhs
Posted 2015-04-16 16:18:10
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Bluesteel takes away privileges with only one strike if she feels like it but Admin tries to help and the very system proves it.
Posted 2015-04-16 15:53:31
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Romanii if you truly believe DDO is better then why'd you deactivate? http://www.debate.org/Romanii/
Posted 2015-04-16 15:51:09
adminadmin
I guess my approach isn't to remove judgments but to tell people how to improve. Routinely poor judges earn low feedback scores so there's a bigger incentive for them to leave 1-point judgments. Which means their judgments become relatively meaningless compared to better judges. While still leaving the door open for them to improve, of course.
Posted 2015-04-16 15:44:06
Silver CrowSilver Crow
@Admin is better than Bluesteel.
Posted 2015-04-16 15:41:31
Silver CrowSilver Crow
Adimin is better than Bluesteel.
Posted 2015-04-16 15:40:18
BlackflagBlackflag
We have a convention of not removing many judgements here. Any opinion is worthy of granting points. No one should be ostracized because they are not as good as explaining their judgements. In fact, it discourages a lot of people from improving their judging abillities. That is why we added judge comments.

I guess what I am trying to say is be nice and give good feedback when others take the time to judge your debate.
Posted 2015-04-16 12:54:40
RomaniiRomanii
Hahaha sorry XD
I just don't have much patience for people who vote-bomb and then complain when bluesteel (rightfully) deletes their votes...
Posted 2015-04-16 11:50:59
adminadmin
Oi! Be constructive with your feedback!
Posted 2015-04-16 11:42:32
RomaniiRomanii
Lol @ButterCatX that's understandable, considering how bad your votes are.
Posted 2015-04-16 10:52:37
adminadmin
No problem, accidental spam removed :D
Posted 2015-04-16 09:16:46
ButterCatxButterCatx
Sorry slow internet, accidental spam
Posted 2015-04-16 06:58:06
ButterCatxButterCatx
Something that I prefer about edeb8, is that bluesteel isn't a moderator here.
Posted 2015-04-16 06:50:37
adminadmin
I predict an easy con win at this rate...
Posted 2015-04-13 16:50:32
TheNoobTheNoob
I love this site!!
Posted 2015-04-11 01:18:35
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